[AT] Sorry for the OT post...

Tue Jul 18 10:19:21 PDT 2017

I wish that was the case.  Something got very hot, we could see the smoke
and smell the fumes.  I expected to see the plastic plug destroyed, but it
wasn't.  Maybe that's some sort of safety mechanism.

I am thinking the engine is hosed.  When I wheeled it into my shop, I
drained the oil and let it go through a fine mesh strainer.  I found one
piece of metal in the first little bit that came out.  I closed the drain
and added 1.5 quarts of oil and shook the engine pretty good, hoping to
stir up any pieces that may have settled to the bottom.  I opened the drain
and just a trickle came out.   Not sure where the oil is going but it's
sure not going out the drain.

I'll look at it again tonight.

Thanks for all of the ideas/suggestions.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Charlie V <1cdevill at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am thinking what I think Mike M is thinking.  The plug was not in tight
> and backed out during operation from normal vibration.
>
> On Jul 18, 2017 9:33 AM, "Dick Day" <dickday0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The threads look perfect and after cleaning the sand off of it, it
> screwed
> > back in just fine.   Looking at it, you'd never know it had been forced
> out
> > of the threaded hole.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Still trying to figure out how an oil filler plug blew out without
> > > destroying the plastic threads.
> > >
> > > Mike M
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/2017 6:44 PM, Dick Day wrote:
> > > > Mike, no mud daubers. In the Fall, I run some of that Briggs pump
> > > > antifreeze through it and then store the pump in the heated shop.
> > Plus,
> > > > this was the second pump.  Champion (great folks), without me even
> > asking
> > > > for it, sent me an email saying one had been shipped and to let them
> > know
> > > > how it went with the new pump.
> > > >
> > > > Tonight I survey the wreckage :)
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Dick, is the oil cap that came flying off threaded? damaged? I'm
> > trying
> > > >> to think of what would cause so much crankcase pressure!! Do you
> have
> > > >> mud daubers?
> > > >>
> > > >> I have had my pump (not engine) turn hard when I didn't use the
> > > >> winterizer, even though I store my power washer in the basement. I
> > > >> attributed it to our hard water leaving calcium deposits. After
> lubing
> > > >> it up, it worked fine. I now use the winterizer  every year and have
> > had
> > > >> no problems.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike M
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 7/17/2017 5:25 PM, Dick Day wrote:
> > > >>> So... is there a chance the engine is still salvageable?   No parts
> > > >> laying
> > > >>> around, just the plastic oil fill threaded plug.  It all happened
> so
> > > >> fast.
> > > >>> My wife and I both smelled something burning but saw no flames.
> The
> > > >> engine
> > > >>> shut down and 2 seconds later the oil fill plug shot about 2 feet
> > from
> > > >> the
> > > >>> engine and oil went a good 15 feet.   I let it cool down outside
> and
> > > >> rolled
> > > >>> it back into the shop.  I am semi-retired and only work Mondays &
> > > >> Tuesdays,
> > > >>> so Wednesday I plan on removing the pump, draining the oil through
> a
> > > fine
> > > >>> screen. If I don't see any pieces in the oil, I'll fill it back up
> > and
> > > >> see
> > > >>> if it will run without the pump on.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Dick Day <dickday0 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Correct, the pto shaft on the engine.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Stephen Offiler <
> > soffiler at gmail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Dick, to clarify, you said "I did notice that the pto shaft that
> > the
> > > >> pump
> > > >>>>> attaches to was so hot I could not even touch it."   You DO mean
> > the
> > > >> motor
> > > >>>>> shaft, right?  Not the pump?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> SO
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Dick Day <dickday0 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I'm desperate.  Last year I bought a fairly large power washer.
> > > >> 4200psi
> > > >>>>>> 3.5gpm.  It has a 389cc gas engine. It ran great, we used it a
> > lot.
> > > >> In
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> Fall, I removed the pump and stored it the heated shop for the
> > > winter.
> > > >>>>>> Over the winter, I converted it to also run on LP.  In the dead
> of
> > > >>>>> winter,
> > > >>>>>> I wheeled it outside and it fired right up.  I put it away until
> > the
> > > >>>>>> spring.  I put the pump back on and decided to clean the siding
> on
> > > the
> > > >>>>> back
> > > >>>>>> of the house.  It started right up. The second I squeeze the
> > > trigger,
> > > >> it
> > > >>>>>> runs really bad.  Let go of the trigger and it's fine.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I put some gas in it and now it also runs really bad when
> engaging
> > > the
> > > >>>>>> pump.  If I remove the pump, it starts and runs great on both LP
> > and
> > > >>>>> gas.
> > > >>>>>> The LP conversion consisted of removing the air filter,
> installing
> > > >>>>> longer
> > > >>>>>> bolts and mounting an LP collar between the carb and the air
> > filter.
> > > >>>>>> Nothing was modified.  I've done several LP conversions and they
> > all
> > > >> run
> > > >>>>>> way better on LP. After a few years, the pistons look almost
> new.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The company, Champion, has been fantastic.  They do not
> discourage
> > > >> their
> > > >>>>>> customers from converting to LP.  The tech I have been working
> > with
> > > >> says
> > > >>>>>> that he and the others in his office "hate" to see engines
> running
> > > on
> > > >>>>> gas.
> > > >>>>>> So, it seems as though the pump might have gone bad sitting in
> the
> > > box
> > > >>>>> over
> > > >>>>>> the winter.  Not likely.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Today, I pulled the pump off and wheeled it outside and fired it
> > up
> > > on
> > > >>>>> both
> > > >>>>>> LP and gas.  No problems.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I did notice that the pto shaft that the pump attaches to was so
> > > hot I
> > > >>>>>> could not even touch it.  Is this normal? Does heat simply get
> > > >>>>> transferred
> > > >>>>>> through the pto shaft?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> As I said, the company has been fantastic to work with. They
> sent
> > > me a
> > > >>>>> new
> > > >>>>>> carb and even a new pump (which I have not tried yet).  I'm
> trying
> > > to
> > > >>>>> see
> > > >>>>>> why the pto shaft is so terribly hot.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Is this normal?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thoughts?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks
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