[AT] Sorry for the OT post...

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Tue Jul 18 10:44:06 PDT 2017 

Dick before you dig into it too much I think I'd call Champion again
and tell them you installed the new pump and what the results were.
Since they already know you have an issue they might take care of it
under warranty.  There eagerness to help might indicate that they
know there is a problem somewhere.  Possibly that would be a good time
to cut a deal with them and get the smaller pump you think might work
better for you.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dick Day
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 1:19 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Sorry for the OT post...

I wish that was the case.  Something got very hot, we could see the smoke
and smell the fumes.  I expected to see the plastic plug destroyed, but it
wasn't.  Maybe that's some sort of safety mechanism.

I am thinking the engine is hosed.  When I wheeled it into my shop, I
drained the oil and let it go through a fine mesh strainer.  I found one
piece of metal in the first little bit that came out.  I closed the drain
and added 1.5 quarts of oil and shook the engine pretty good, hoping to
stir up any pieces that may have settled to the bottom.  I opened the drain
and just a trickle came out.   Not sure where the oil is going but it's
sure not going out the drain.

I'll look at it again tonight.

Thanks for all of the ideas/suggestions.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Charlie V <1cdevill at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am thinking what I think Mike M is thinking.  The plug was not in tight
> and backed out during operation from normal vibration.
>
> On Jul 18, 2017 9:33 AM, "Dick Day" <dickday0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The threads look perfect and after cleaning the sand off of it, it
> screwed
> > back in just fine.   Looking at it, you'd never know it had been forced
> out
> > of the threaded hole.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Still trying to figure out how an oil filler plug blew out without
> > > destroying the plastic threads.
> > >
> > > Mike M
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/2017 6:44 PM, Dick Day wrote:
> > > > Mike, no mud daubers. In the Fall, I run some of that Briggs pump
> > > > antifreeze through it and then store the pump in the heated shop.
> > Plus,
> > > > this was the second pump.  Champion (great folks), without me even
> > asking
> > > > for it, sent me an email saying one had been shipped and to let them
> > know
> > > > how it went with the new pump.
> > > >
> > > > Tonight I survey the wreckage :)
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Dick, is the oil cap that came flying off threaded? damaged? I'm
> > trying
> > > >> to think of what would cause so much crankcase pressure!! Do you
> have
> > > >> mud daubers?
> > > >>
> > > >> I have had my pump (not engine) turn hard when I didn't use the
> > > >> winterizer, even though I store my power washer in the basement. I
> > > >> attributed it to our hard water leaving calcium deposits. After
> lubing
> > > >> it up, it worked fine. I now use the winterizer  every year and 
> > > >> have
> > had
> > > >> no problems.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike M
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 7/17/2017 5:25 PM, Dick Day wrote:
> > > >>> So... is there a chance the engine is still salvageable?   No 
> > > >>> parts
> > > >> laying
> > > >>> around, just the plastic oil fill threaded plug.  It all happened
> so
> > > >> fast.
> > > >>> My wife and I both smelled something burning but saw no flames.
> The
> > > >> engine
> > > >>> shut down and 2 seconds later the oil fill plug shot about 2 feet
> > from
> > > >> the
> > > >>> engine and oil went a good 15 feet.   I let it cool down outside
> and
> > > >> rolled
> > > >>> it back into the shop.  I am semi-retired and only work Mondays &
> > > >> Tuesdays,
> > > >>> so Wednesday I plan on removing the pump, draining the oil through
> a
> > > fine
> > > >>> screen. If I don't see any pieces in the oil, I'll fill it back up
> > and
> > > >> see
> > > >>> if it will run without the pump on.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Dick Day <dickday0 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Correct, the pto shaft on the engine.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Stephen Offiler <
> > soffiler at gmail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Dick, to clarify, you said "I did notice that the pto shaft that
> > the
> > > >> pump
> > > >>>>> attaches to was so hot I could not even touch it."   You DO mean
> > the
> > > >> motor
> > > >>>>> shaft, right?  Not the pump?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> SO
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Dick Day <dickday0 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I'm desperate.  Last year I bought a fairly large power washer.
> > > >> 4200psi
> > > >>>>>> 3.5gpm.  It has a 389cc gas engine. It ran great, we used it a
> > lot.
> > > >> In
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> Fall, I removed the pump and stored it the heated shop for the
> > > winter.
> > > >>>>>> Over the winter, I converted it to also run on LP.  In the dead
> of
> > > >>>>> winter,
> > > >>>>>> I wheeled it outside and it fired right up.  I put it away 
> > > >>>>>> until
> > the
> > > >>>>>> spring.  I put the pump back on and decided to clean the siding
> on
> > > the
> > > >>>>> back
> > > >>>>>> of the house.  It started right up. The second I squeeze the
> > > trigger,
> > > >> it
> > > >>>>>> runs really bad.  Let go of the trigger and it's fine.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I put some gas in it and now it also runs really bad when
> engaging
> > > the
> > > >>>>>> pump.  If I remove the pump, it starts and runs great on both 
> > > >>>>>> LP
> > and
> > > >>>>> gas.
> > > >>>>>> The LP conversion consisted of removing the air filter,
> installing
> > > >>>>> longer
> > > >>>>>> bolts and mounting an LP collar between the carb and the air
> > filter.
> > > >>>>>> Nothing was modified.  I've done several LP conversions and 
> > > >>>>>> they
> > all
> > > >> run
> > > >>>>>> way better on LP. After a few years, the pistons look almost
> new.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The company, Champion, has been fantastic.  They do not
> discourage
> > > >> their
> > > >>>>>> customers from converting to LP.  The tech I have been working
> > with
> > > >> says
> > > >>>>>> that he and the others in his office "hate" to see engines
> running
> > > on
> > > >>>>> gas.
> > > >>>>>> So, it seems as though the pump might have gone bad sitting in
> the
> > > box
> > > >>>>> over
> > > >>>>>> the winter.  Not likely.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Today, I pulled the pump off and wheeled it outside and fired 
> > > >>>>>> it
> > up
> > > on
> > > >>>>> both
> > > >>>>>> LP and gas.  No problems.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I did notice that the pto shaft that the pump attaches to was 
> > > >>>>>> so
> > > hot I
> > > >>>>>> could not even touch it.  Is this normal? Does heat simply get
> > > >>>>> transferred
> > > >>>>>> through the pto shaft?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> As I said, the company has been fantastic to work with. They
> sent
> > > me a
> > > >>>>> new
> > > >>>>>> carb and even a new pump (which I have not tried yet).  I'm
> trying
> > > to
> > > >>>>> see
> > > >>>>>> why the pto shaft is so terribly hot.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Is this normal?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thoughts?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks
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