[AT] Weekend issues

Tue Sep 20 14:33:46 PDT 2016

John, Southern Yellow pine is still pretty easy to come by here in the
east.  You might not get it from Lowes or Home Depot but the regular
wholesale lumber houses have plenty of it.  True it's not the old growth,
high quality stuff we used to have but it's ok as long as it's clear of 
knots.
I saw a truck load of logs today that were cut very near my house.  Nice
yellow pine with a heart about the size of a quarter and tight growth rings
all the way out.  I didn't count it but it appeared to be about 40 to 50 
year old trees.
If you can still find an independent saw mill, there are a couple near here, 
you can
get some pretty good stuff from them.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: John Hall
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:22 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Weekend issues

You beat me too it Cecil! Yellow pine is some tough stuff. And its hard
to find even here in the South! We've got 2 loading boards made from it
and it works fine. When dad retired back in 91 he was doing a ton of
work on Cub Cadets. Had a fellow come pick up one and was going to drive
it up 2 of those real pretty white looking 2 x 10's. Both boards snapped
at about the same place and at the same time. I learned right then that
crap isn't fit for doing anything but building houses. Speaking of
which, if you are working on an old house built out of yellow pine, you
know real quick what quality lumber it is!

By the way, I ain't crazy enough to drive anything up a set of wood ramps!

John

On 9/19/2016 9:36 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
> you might try 2X10 #2 Southern Yellow Pine.   Most of the lumber today
> is whitewoods  Fir, or whatever grows fast.
>
> I have an aluminum folding ATV ramp that I riveted some sheet aluminum
> onto the rungs.  When I carry it or the long curved set of ramps, they
> are locked into the truck or trailer along with the chain and lock that
> locks my ATV into the truck or trailer.   It takes a few extra minutes,
> but the ramps have been with me for the last 15 years.
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 9/19/2016 6:40 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote:
>> Farmer,
>>
>> I agree that there are many solutions to this, engineered wood (but they 
>> would not like rain or elements), store bought aluminum ramps if I locked 
>> them in place, steel ramps, and combinations of wood and steel. Custom 
>> cut from a mill with full 2" thickness might be the best option if I can 
>> find a mill and take some time to go get them. Maybe it is time to switch 
>> to 2 X 12 boards but will need to carry them on edge because I do not 
>> want to have mower offset too much to the side.
>>
>> What is frustrating is that I have used 2 X 8 or 2 X 10's for 20 plus 
>> years to load LAWN MOWERS. That is why Cecil's comment about good wood 
>> going outside the USA got me to thinking that he may have a valid point. 
>> I switched to 2 X 10's when I got mowers a little bit heavier than what I 
>> had 20 years ago. Every 5 to 10 years something happens and I need to 
>> replace the wood. The center support method has some issues on dealing 
>> with truck and trailer suspension flex. When I have something a bit 
>> heavier (like my Bolens 1502H) I had done the center support blocks.
>>
>> I like this method because they are reasonably light, cheap, weather 
>> resistant if treated. They are quick to put up and down. And I have a 
>> post welded to the trailer and a hole in one end of the ramp where I can 
>> just put them down over the pin and drive off with no worry. I have not 
>> had problems with anyone trying to steal a board.
>>
>> Another thing that bothers me is that the new board has about 1 inch of 
>> extra deflection compared to the old 2 X 10 that has aged 3 or 4 years.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dennis
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Indiana Robinson <robinson46176 at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I wanted wood ramp boards I think I would consider laminated 
>>> engineered
>>> lumber. Really strong stuff and no weak points.
>>> If I ever was suspicious of loading boards / weight combinations I 
>>> reduced
>>> their length by half with blocks under the middle but with a warning.
>>> Blocking under the middle can make one end or the other lift (and move) 
>>> at
>>> the end like at the truck bed. To prevent that movement the middle 
>>> blocks
>>> should be low enough that the middle of the boards can flex down a 
>>> couple
>>> of inches before contacting the support blocks. That keeps weight on 
>>> both
>>> ends of the board.
>>> I needed a shortish pair of ramps for loading my Cub several years ago 
>>> so I
>>> made them out of a couple of pieces of light-ish "I" beam cut from a
>>> removable mobile home hitch and used them flat. I cut a couple of 12"
>>> pieces of an old "U" steel fence post and welded them across one end of
>>> each ramp cup down. That sits on a support across the back of several
>>> trailers. They will also work to roll logs onto my little Woodmizer 
>>> sawmill
>>> (if I ever get a chance to use it).
>>> The Cub weighs about 1,800 pounds and it does not flex the ramps. They 
>>> are
>>> maybe 5' long.
>>> I have not shown anything for several years but I think I can next year. 
>>> I
>>> finally completely quit the Atorvastatin and the Zetia both and at long
>>> last actually feel like I am really healing. The Atorvastatin (Lipitor) 
>>> was
>>> really destructive on muscle tissue along with a whole basket-full of 
>>> other
>>> bad side effects. The Zetia was causing severe shortness of breath. My
>>> regular Dr. is quite open minded about treatments but the cardiac folks 
>>> all
>>> seem to be playing a one string banjo... It largely involves a bad case 
>>> of
>>> denial of any side effects of those two drugs.If I croak more quickly 
>>> from
>>> not taking them it will still be better than the life I was living with 
>>> the
>>> side effects...
>>> I could have asked son Scott to haul a tractor to a show and he has in 
>>> the
>>> past but he does a huge amount to keep us going as it is. He and I did
>>> visit 3 nearby shows this summer together.
>>> I saw a quote on-line this morning: "Sometimes it takes me all day to
>>> accomplish nothing."  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:07 PM, <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You need to borrow better equipment. :-}
>>>>
>>>>      On Monday, September 19, 2016 8:44 AM, Cecil Bearden <
>>>> crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like the typical quality problems we endure these days. Cover 
>>>> the
>>>> bottom of those ramps with a 1/8 sheet of steel or aluminum and they
>>>> will hold together.  All the good lumber in the US is shipped
>>>> overseas.  We get the crap.  Those senders were probably made in China
>>>> or India.  Parts houses don't carry the fittings they used to. 
>>>> Hardware
>>>> stores are the best bet on that now...
>>>>
>>>> Cecil in Okla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/2016 12:42 AM, Dennis Johnson wrote:
>>>>> All
>>>>>
>>>>> The last few days I have been hit with stupid little stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Borrowing my son's V10 Ram to haul some mowers to Okla. leaving 2 
>>>>> there
>>>> with someone and hauling my Hustler back after doing some mowing there.
>>>>> V10 failed an oil pressure sender Wednesday near Ennis Tx. Changed it
>>>> out in parts store parking lot, which was not fun on hot engine. This
>>>> morning on the way to church the replacement sender also failed, 
>>>> putting a
>>>> small stream of oil out the electrical connection, just like the first 
>>>> one
>>>> did. Got replacement under warranty, but went to 6 places looking for 
>>>> 1/8
>>>> NPT 45 elbow and could not find. Want to move sensor so I can get a 
>>>> wrench
>>>> or sender socket on it. Finally found short nipple and coupling that 
>>>> should
>>>> move it away from block slightly. Tomorrow morning will try to install 
>>>> the
>>>> second sensor when engine is cool before I start it.
>>>>> Yesterday I snapped one of the blade spindle housings in two pieces on
>>>> my Hustler Fastrack SD mower. Was able to fine some replacement parts 
>>>> just
>>>> before store closed. Was able to finish mowing this afternoon.
>>>>> This weekend the 2 X 10 ramps I use to load mower failed near a knot
>>>> hole. Friday I got a new 2 X 10, and it snapped in two pieces on 
>>>> Saturday.
>>>> Yesterday got a second replacement on that also.
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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