[AT] OT LED question

Sat Nov 5 04:11:15 PDT 2016

Cecil, I'm not sure what you mean about variable resistors for volume
control.  You mean potentiometers or rheostats?  I have not seen any lack
of availability of those.  The EISA does not appear to mention variable
resistors.  It does, however, answer your question about oven lamps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Independence_and_Security_Act_of_2007#B._Lighting_energy_efficiency

SO

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:

> I think that same rule is the reason you cannot buy a variable resistor
> for a volume control now, it has to have a computer chip to control the
> volume.   I also wonder what we are supposed to use for the 25watt bulb
> in the oven?  It runs too hot and not enough room to use a CFL.
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 11/4/2016 10:31 PM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote:
> > Charlie,
> >
> > do a Google search and you will see that the incandescent bulb you are
> buying is likely halogen.  Halogen are considered a type of incandescent
> bulb.  The Government rule has to do with efficiency as Steve stated.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >
> > Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 3:41 pm
> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
> >
> > There you go again Steve.  I TOLD YOU IT IS A 100 WATT INCANDESCENT BULB.
> > Did I say anything about a halogen bulb inside a incandescent envelope?
> > I know you think I'm stupid but give it a break man.  Do you have to
> argue
> > with
> > EVERYTHING anyone says to you??????????????????????????????
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Offiler
> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 5:47 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
> >
> > The act of Congress that imposed efficiency restrictions on lighting,
> > effectively outlawing those old-school 100 watt incandescent bulbs, was
> > signed into law by President Bush in 2007.  It's called the EISA, the
> > Energy Independence and Security Act.
> >
> > It is possible to manufacture a 100-watt bulb that meets EISA, with a
> > halogen bulb inside a normal incandescent glass envelope.  It would be
> > cheaper to manufacture this design in low-labor-cost countries such as
> > China.
> >
> > Why does my local power company  subsidize the purchase of LED bulbs?
> > Seems backward, doesn't it?  They are going to be selling me less
> > electricity.
> >
> > SO
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:31 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I recently found out that I can buy incandescent 100 W bulbs off the
> shelf
> >> at
> >> the convenience store 1 mile from my house!  NO these aren't new old
> stock
> >> and
> >> the store owner didn't stock up before the ban.  They come in every
> week,
> >> replenished
> >> by the service merchandizer and on sale in plain view, not hidden in the
> >> back room or
> >> under the counter.  The only thing is .... they are MADE IN CHINA....
> >> Thousands of American
> >> jobs lost but the bulbs that were supposedly causing the seas to rise
> are
> >> still available.
> >> SO, I think we now know the REAL reason why they were outlawed.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dick Day
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 4:08 PM
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
> >>
> >> To add to what Spencer said, this, even grumpier, old man knows that the
> >> failure rate of most LED's is pretty dismal.  Actually, I believe it's
> the
> >> drivers that fail.
> >>
> >> I like not using as much electricity and I like the almost instant-on in
> >> super cold temps but that all comes at a price.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You folks know me:   I try really hard to not be that grumpy old man
> >>> that
> >>> says everything new is terrible.  In fact I don't even have to try all
> >>> that
> >>> hard.  Adapting comes naturally.
> >>>
> >>> However I am that grumpy old man when it comes to light bulbs tho....
> >>> I
> >>> hate CFLs and LEDs.   None of them last like they claim and the light
> >>> quality stinks.
> >>>
> >>> You have my sympathy.
> >>>
> >>> Tractor/ATIS reference:
> >>>
> >>> General purpose LED bulbs are  not dimmable without side effects,  for
> >>> enclosed housings or rough service.   In fact one LED in a dimmable
> >>> circuit
> >>> would make my UPS (that keeps ATIS up during power outages) transformer
> >>> hum. It was the weirdest thing.   Slide the dimmer down halfway and the
> >>> UPS
> >>> would make a racket.   All the way up and it would be fine.
>  Completely
> >>> different circuits too.   The bulb itself would dim fine without effect
> >>> but
> >>> my UPS hated it.
> >>>
> >>> Spencer Yost
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, <rlgoss at twc.com> <rlgoss at twc.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I had that happen on an LED desk lamp.  It turned out that one portion
> >>> of the circuitry went open-circuit and the lamp was working at about
> >> half.
> >>> The store gave me a replacement for it and everything has been fine
> >>> since
> >>> then.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry
> >>>>
> >>>> ---- Ron Cook <ron at lakeport-1.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Based on the discussion here a little over a year ago, I put some LED
> >>>>> lights here and there.  One being in the kitchen.  Seemed good.
> >>>>> However,
> >>>>> lately I have been having trouble seeing well in the kitchen.  Just
> >>>>> seemed like there was not enough light.  I just screwed the CREE LED
> >>>>> out
> >>>>> and installed one of my old 100W incandescent bulbs.  Holy Smokes!!!!
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> can see again.  I was getting worried about my eyes.  Why has this
> >>>>> expensive LED bulb dimmed down??  I think the govmnt stuck it to us
> >>>>> again like the digital television signal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ron
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