[AT] OT LED question

Fri Nov 4 20:48:37 PDT 2016

I think that same rule is the reason you cannot buy a variable resistor 
for a volume control now, it has to have a computer chip to control the 
volume.   I also wonder what we are supposed to use for the 25watt bulb 
in the oven?  It runs too hot and not enough room to use a CFL.

Cecil in OKla

On 11/4/2016 10:31 PM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote:
> Charlie,
>
> do a Google search and you will see that the incandescent bulb you are buying is likely halogen.  Halogen are considered a type of incandescent bulb.  The Government rule has to do with efficiency as Steve stated.
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 3:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
>
> There you go again Steve.  I TOLD YOU IT IS A 100 WATT INCANDESCENT BULB.
> Did I say anything about a halogen bulb inside a incandescent envelope?
> I know you think I'm stupid but give it a break man.  Do you have to argue
> with
> EVERYTHING anyone says to you??????????????????????????????
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Offiler
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 5:47 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
>
> The act of Congress that imposed efficiency restrictions on lighting,
> effectively outlawing those old-school 100 watt incandescent bulbs, was
> signed into law by President Bush in 2007.  It's called the EISA, the
> Energy Independence and Security Act.
>
> It is possible to manufacture a 100-watt bulb that meets EISA, with a
> halogen bulb inside a normal incandescent glass envelope.  It would be
> cheaper to manufacture this design in low-labor-cost countries such as
> China.
>
> Why does my local power company  subsidize the purchase of LED bulbs?
> Seems backward, doesn't it?  They are going to be selling me less
> electricity.
>
> SO
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:31 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I recently found out that I can buy incandescent 100 W bulbs off the shelf
>> at
>> the convenience store 1 mile from my house!  NO these aren't new old stock
>> and
>> the store owner didn't stock up before the ban.  They come in every week,
>> replenished
>> by the service merchandizer and on sale in plain view, not hidden in the
>> back room or
>> under the counter.  The only thing is .... they are MADE IN CHINA....
>> Thousands of American
>> jobs lost but the bulbs that were supposedly causing the seas to rise are
>> still available.
>> SO, I think we now know the REAL reason why they were outlawed.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dick Day
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 4:08 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
>>
>> To add to what Spencer said, this, even grumpier, old man knows that the
>> failure rate of most LED's is pretty dismal.  Actually, I believe it's the
>> drivers that fail.
>>
>> I like not using as much electricity and I like the almost instant-on in
>> super cold temps but that all comes at a price.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You folks know me:   I try really hard to not be that grumpy old man
>>> that
>>> says everything new is terrible.  In fact I don't even have to try all
>>> that
>>> hard.  Adapting comes naturally.
>>>
>>> However I am that grumpy old man when it comes to light bulbs tho....
>>> I
>>> hate CFLs and LEDs.   None of them last like they claim and the light
>>> quality stinks.
>>>
>>> You have my sympathy.
>>>
>>> Tractor/ATIS reference:
>>>
>>> General purpose LED bulbs are  not dimmable without side effects,  for
>>> enclosed housings or rough service.   In fact one LED in a dimmable
>>> circuit
>>> would make my UPS (that keeps ATIS up during power outages) transformer
>>> hum. It was the weirdest thing.   Slide the dimmer down halfway and the
>>> UPS
>>> would make a racket.   All the way up and it would be fine.   Completely
>>> different circuits too.   The bulb itself would dim fine without effect
>>> but
>>> my UPS hated it.
>>>
>>> Spencer Yost
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, <rlgoss at twc.com> <rlgoss at twc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had that happen on an LED desk lamp.  It turned out that one portion
>>> of the circuitry went open-circuit and the lamp was working at about
>> half.
>>> The store gave me a replacement for it and everything has been fine
>>> since
>>> then.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> ---- Ron Cook <ron at lakeport-1.com> wrote:
>>>>> Based on the discussion here a little over a year ago, I put some LED
>>>>> lights here and there.  One being in the kitchen.  Seemed good.
>>>>> However,
>>>>> lately I have been having trouble seeing well in the kitchen.  Just
>>>>> seemed like there was not enough light.  I just screwed the CREE LED
>>>>> out
>>>>> and installed one of my old 100W incandescent bulbs.  Holy Smokes!!!!
>>>>> I
>>>>> can see again.  I was getting worried about my eyes.  Why has this
>>>>> expensive LED bulb dimmed down??  I think the govmnt stuck it to us
>>>>> again like the digital television signal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
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