[AT] Garden question

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Thu Aug 4 09:46:46 PDT 2016


Carl,  I wouldn't argue that point with you because I don't know.
It makes sense that the phosphate (in whatever form it's in) has to
go somewhere.  Also, the article I posted was just the first one I found
in a web search that reflected what I had read before.  It's certainly not 
the
best source.  The bottom line is about proper use of the product.   It would
be interesting to see what the label directions say about spraying in areas
where runoff to water ways is possible.  If the stuff is properly applied 
the
majority of the product only touches the foliage of the vegetation and very
little gets directly onto the ground.  What hits the vegetation (in theory) 
is
supposed to be absorbed into the plants.  We all know that doing hands on
work in the field is not the same as applying it under perfect conditions on 
a
research farm but that’s another story.

Charlie

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FYI
Link directly from Cornell with references.
Another.

http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/emon/pubs/fatememo/glyphos.pdf

      From: Carl Gogol <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group' <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Garden question

Not an argument Charley, but I recently read that scientists are starting to
link the size of the phosphate rich bloom in the Gulf of Mexico with the
acres of roundup ready crops planted in the Mississippi / Missouri
watershed.  Roundup / glyphosate (sic?) is, after all, an organic phosphate.
The phosphorous in it cannot disappear even if the poison breaks down into
mostly benign substances.
Carl

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 7:06 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Garden question

Ivan the vinegar is a good tip, thanks but glyphosate (Round Up) gets a bad
rap in the media.  The stuff breaks down to nitrogen and carbon dioxide in a
relatively short time and is harmless to humans and animals.

I know someone will argue so instead of arguing with me read this article
prepared from research by Cornell University.
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5436386_long-roundup-stay-soil.html

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Ivan
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 8:26 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Garden question

  I used to use roundup ,now using horticurtual grade vinegar  10% .
Mix with a tablespoon of dishsoap tand spray witha garden sprayer . I
suppose you could dab it on with one of the previously mentioned devices
.  Key thing is vinegar has to be 10% . The stuff sold in the grocery
stores for kitchen use is not strong enough . I've been getting mine off
Amazon  , last time all I could get was 20 % so mix it half vinegar and
half water to dilute it .  Remember that vinegar is an acid so be
carefull when handling it . It will burn eyes or sensitive shin but washes
off with water and brakes down to harmless stuff within 24 hours without any
nasty long lasting chemicals to poisen things .  It is not
selective so use it carefully .  Ivan
On 8/3/2016 2:37 PM, Greg Hass wrote:
> My garden is where the old cattle yard was. Things grow great and the
> soil is easy to work; I use my farmall cub to work and cultivate the
> garden, however, once things get a little big weeds take over. My back
> won't allow much hand weeding and weeds get a couple of feet high in a
> short time. I have seen, at least in Agri-Supply,  a stick like thing
> with a 6 inch rope wick thing on the bottom and you put round-up in it
> and swipe the weeds and it is supposed to kill them and not your plants.
> Anyone ever used them and do they work or is it just more money down
> the drain.
>            Greg Hass
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