[AT] Battery Charger recommendations

Tue Apr 26 13:04:54 PDT 2016

They said they will beat us and they are doing it!!!!   JP

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Offiler
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 11:14 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Battery Charger recommendations

The rules apply to bulbs up to 2600 lumens.  Incandescents run somewhere
around 10 lumens per watt, so your 300 watt bulbs will be upwards of 3000
lumens and therefore outside of the regulations.

SO

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:

> You can still buy high wattage incandescent bulbs, I just ordered some
> 300 watt bulbs for our barn. The CFL's take too long to warm up and 
> are dangerous in my opinion, I have witnessed them burning and burning 
> brown by the base. Not good in a barn with dry wood and hay. I'll 
> eventually make the transition to LED's but right now I can't find one 
> that is affordable that will throw the lumens the 300 watt one will. I 
> have noticed that cost of them is dropping like a stone. They should 
> have known only early adopters would pay $40 a bulb.
>
> Mike M
>
>
>
>
> On 4/26/2016 1:33 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> > I needed to refresh my memory.  What I already said, regarding the
> halogen,
> > is solid info; but what I had failed to recall was that there were 
> > some loopholes built into the legislation.  The two best examples 
> > are
> three-way
> > bulbs and "rough-service" bulbs - they are still legal.  However, a 
> > straight-up old school 100 watt incandescent is simply not legal, 
> > and
> that
> > legislation has phased in restrictions all the way down to 40 watts now.
> >
> > SO
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:15 AM, charlie hill <
> charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Steve,  I'll look at one, in fact I might buy one just to break it 
> >> and
> see
> >> but
> >> I'm 99% sure what the guy is selling is a Chinese made incandescent
> bulb.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Stephen Offiler
> >> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 4:28 PM
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Battery Charger recommendations
> >>
> >> Charlie, just one quick point here.  The legislation that 
> >> "outlawed" 100 watt incandescent bulbs was written to specify a 
> >> minimum efficiency,
> stated
> >> as lumens (light output) per watt of electricity input.  They set 
> >> the number at a point that a normal old incandecent bulb could not
achieve.
> >> But here's the trick:  a *halogen* bulb with a filament operated at 
> >> a certain elevated temperature is able to hit the efficiency 
> >> number.  If
> you
> >> can look inside those Chinese bulbs you mentioned, I bet you will 
> >> see
> one
> >> of those long slender halogen bulbs (a smaller version of those 
> >> 300- and 500-watt halogen floodlight bulbs).  But beware; because 
> >> they have to
> raise
> >> the filament temperature to hit the efficiency number, they have 
> >> short life.
> >>
> >> SO
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 2:45 PM, charlie hill <
> charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I fully agree about the LED bulbs as well as the compact fluorescent.
> >>> I don't particularly like either but the LED's are light years 
> >>> (pun
> >>> intended)
> >>> ahead of the fluorescent.   I thought the whole idea of pushing these
> >>> alternatives to incandescent bulbs was to "save the planet" by 
> >>> saving
> >> some
> >>> energy.  The incandescent bulbs were outlawed.  100 watt went 
> >>> first and then
> >>> 75 and then 60 or so I was told.  GE's plants in Goldsboro, NC 
> >>> (near
> me)
> >>> and
> >>> Winchester, VA were shut down and hundreds of American workers 
> >>> lost
> their
> >>> jobs all in the name of switching to more efficient and "planet
> friendly"
> >>> alternatives.
> >>> Jump forward a few months.  Last week  I was in the local corner
store.
> >>> My
> >>> neighbor
> >>> was in there inquiring about getting some incandescent bulbs.  I
> chuckled
> >>> and said good
> >>> luck with that.  The store owner spoke up and said, "no, I think I 
> >>> have some.  He went on to say he'd been able to get them.  We 
> >>> walked back to the shelf where
> >> they
> >>> are kept and
> >>> LO and BEHOLD there were several boxes of 100 watt incandescent 
> >>> bulbs MARKED MADE IN CHINA.
> >>>
> >>> Yet another sham pulled on American working people.   I guess they
> don't
> >>> contribute to so called
> >>> "global warming" if they are made in China and brought 13,000 
> >>> miles by
> >> way
> >>> of ship rather than
> >>> making them 60 miles up the road with American workers.
> >>>
> >>> Charlie
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Stephen Offiler
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:23 PM
> >>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Battery Charger recommendations
> >>>
> >>> I'm having great success with LED light bulbs.  I believe mine are
> Osram,
> >>> but, I am pretty familiar with the LED industry and Cree has an
> excellent
> >>> reputation.  What kind of fixture are you using them in?  LED's 
> >>> don't produce all that much heat (say, in relation to an 
> >>> incandescent bulb)
> >> but,
> >>> on the other hand they do not tolerate heat.  Typically they have 
> >>> signficant heat-sinks built in to control heat, but restrictive 
> >>> light fixtures could play havoc.
> >>>
> >>> SO
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Ron Cook <ron at lakeport-1.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Charlie,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have heard positive response similar to yours on those engines.
> >>>>
> >>>> Last August I bought 6 CREE LED light bulbs at Home Depot.  They 
> >>>> are maybe supposed to last 20 years, but only if you do not use them.
> They
> >>>> conveniently left off that disclaimer.  Last night while working 
> >>>> on a
> 3
> >>>> horse John Deere E engine, the third one went out.  More junk!
> >>>>
> >>>> Ron Cook, Salix, IA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/25/2016 10:16 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> >>>>> I don't know about their electrics although I think I have a 
> >>>>> cheap
> >>> drill
> >>>>> motor or two
> >>>>> and maybe a couple of side grinders from their that I bought to 
> >>>>> use
> >> on
> >>> a
> >>>> job
> >>>>> site,
> >>>>> however, the 6.5 HP, honda knockoff, horizontal shaft engine 
> >>>>> that I
> >>>> bought
> >>>>> from them
> >>>>> to put on my garden tiller is flawless after three seasons and 
> >>>>> at the
> >>>> sale
> >>>>> price I paid,
> >>>>> (about $80.00 out the door) it was less than half of the price 
> >>>>> of the gas tank I needed to repair the 20 year old 5 hp B&S that 
> >>>>> came on the tiller.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Charlie
> >>>>>
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