[AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel

[Robert]

Dean

Yours is the version I've heard too. But I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between!!

It's a shame they didn't chose to make the 7.3 Emmisions compliant!!

Bob

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> On Jul 28, 2015, at 9:10 PM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Wow, that is a different take on the issues between Ford and Navistar than what I have heard before.
> I had heard that the 6.0 engine was fine until Ford added all their stuff to it. Navistar wouldn't
> take responsibility for the engine that Ford had changed. Hence the law suits. 
> 
> Dean VP
> Snohomish, WA 98290
> 
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent
> virtue is the equal sharing of misery."  . Sir Winston Churchill
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Rob Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:44 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel
> 
> Navistar didn't have a problem it was Ford dictating what they would pay and didn't want to pay
> navistar for the needed improvements. That's why the lawsuit between ford and navistar. Ford cheapened
> them up to the point of failure and wanted navistar to pay for their engineering mistakes. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't understand why US truck manufactures consistently feel the need 
> to reinvent the wheel. Ford's 7.3 was arguably one of the best engines 
> that Navistar produced. The same goes for the  original Cummins diesel 
> in Dodge trucks. Why not just keep improving those engines. Find the 
> weak points, and improve them. Constantly coming out with under tested 
> new engines is a causing them a lot of grief and  unhappy customers.
> Mike M
> 
> 
>> On 7/28/2015 6:41 PM, Rob Wilson wrote:
>> I toured the Cummins mid range plant a couple weeks ago and they are always dispelling rumors like
> putting a Cummins in a ford.  It's prettying much just wishful thinking by ford owners hoping for a
> good diesel. And on a side note they will help you with your spelling by correcting and letting you
> know there is no "g" in Cummins. Stock torque this year is 900 ft lbs with a pretty good rumor that
> next year it will be 1000 ft lbs! And U.S. dodge owners thought we had problems with the transmissions
> now.
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Thomas Mehrkam <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I have been hearing that for a while. Cummings is a good engine but Cummings had some problems a few
> years ago.  Remember the cracked blocks on the Dodge.  They cracked right across the freeze plugs.
>> Cummins 53 Block Casting Information
>> 
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>> | Cummins 53 Block Casting Information5.9L Cummins 53 block casting history, identification, and
> repair. The Brazlian cast #53 engine block, common for 1999 to 2001 model year 24v Cummins, is
> notoriou... |
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>> 
>> 
>>     From: Richard Fink Sr <rfinksr at verizon.net>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel
>> 
>> I heard that in 2017 Ford will be able to put the Cummings Diesel
>> engines in there trucks. ???????????
>> R Fink
>> PA
>> 
>>> On 7/28/2015 12:02 AM, Dean VP wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>> 
>>> I have a friend in CA who went through a 2003 Ford 6.0L which was replaced by Ford for a 2004 6.0L
>>> which was replaced by Ford with a 2005 6.0L and that one he didn't even make it out of the dealer's
>>> lot before the fan went through the radiator.  He traded it in on a Chevrolet Duramax and hasn't
>>> looked back.  I own a 2003 7.3 Liter Ford Diesel engine in my truck and it has been trouble free
> for
>>> 160,000 miles. The Ford 6.4L wasn't all that much better but the Ford 6.7 L Diesel engine seems to
> the
>>> best of the bunch so far other than the 7.3L. Consider yourself lucky if your 6.0 hasn't had major
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