[AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel

Wed Jul 29 07:32:24 PDT 2015

Bob,  my understanding is that the design of the 7.3 Navistar engine made it 
impossible
for it to comply.  It required a complete re-design to meet regs.
That is the same thing that did away with the old work horse Detroit  2 
stroke engines.

I meet a guy online a year or two ago who runs a shop in Frederick, MD that 
specializes
in keeping 7.3 diesels running and on the road.  The guy doesn't want to 
work on much of
anything else.  As good an engine as they are sooner or later they have 
problems.  I wish
I could remember his name or the name of his shop but I can't.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Robert
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:42 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel

Dean

Yours is the version I've heard too. But I'm sure the truth is somewhere in 
between!!

It's a shame they didn't chose to make the 7.3 Emmisions compliant!!

Bob

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> On Jul 28, 2015, at 9:10 PM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>
> Wow, that is a different take on the issues between Ford and Navistar than 
> what I have heard before.
> I had heard that the 6.0 engine was fine until Ford added all their stuff 
> to it. Navistar wouldn't
> take responsibility for the engine that Ford had changed. Hence the law 
> suits.
>
> Dean VP
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the 
> gospel of envy, its inherent
> virtue is the equal sharing of misery."  . Sir Winston Churchill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com 
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Rob Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:44 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel
>
> Navistar didn't have a problem it was Ford dictating what they would pay 
> and didn't want to pay
> navistar for the needed improvements. That's why the lawsuit between ford 
> and navistar. Ford cheapened
> them up to the point of failure and wanted navistar to pay for their 
> engineering mistakes.
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>
> I don't understand why US truck manufactures consistently feel the need
> to reinvent the wheel. Ford's 7.3 was arguably one of the best engines
> that Navistar produced. The same goes for the  original Cummins diesel
> in Dodge trucks. Why not just keep improving those engines. Find the
> weak points, and improve them. Constantly coming out with under tested
> new engines is a causing them a lot of grief and  unhappy customers.
> Mike M
>
>
>> On 7/28/2015 6:41 PM, Rob Wilson wrote:
>> I toured the Cummins mid range plant a couple weeks ago and they are 
>> always dispelling rumors like
> putting a Cummins in a ford.  It's prettying much just wishful thinking by 
> ford owners hoping for a
> good diesel. And on a side note they will help you with your spelling by 
> correcting and letting you
> know there is no "g" in Cummins. Stock torque this year is 900 ft lbs with 
> a pretty good rumor that
> next year it will be 1000 ft lbs! And U.S. dodge owners thought we had 
> problems with the transmissions
> now.
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Thomas Mehrkam <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have been hearing that for a while. Cummings is a good engine but 
>> Cummings had some problems a few
> years ago.  Remember the cracked blocks on the Dodge.  They cracked right 
> across the freeze plugs.
>> Cummins 53 Block Casting Information
>>
>> |   |
>> |   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
>> | Cummins 53 Block Casting Information5.9L Cummins 53 block casting 
>> history, identification, and
> repair. The Brazlian cast #53 engine block, common for 1999 to 2001 model 
> year 24v Cummins, is
> notoriou... |
>> |  |
>> | View on cumminshub.com | Preview by Yahoo |
>> |  |
>> |   |
>>
>>
>>
>>     From: Richard Fink Sr <rfinksr at verizon.net>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel
>>
>> I heard that in 2017 Ford will be able to put the Cummings Diesel
>> engines in there trucks. ???????????
>> R Fink
>> PA
>>
>>> On 7/28/2015 12:02 AM, Dean VP wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> I have a friend in CA who went through a 2003 Ford 6.0L which was 
>>> replaced by Ford for a 2004 6.0L
>>> which was replaced by Ford with a 2005 6.0L and that one he didn't even 
>>> make it out of the dealer's
>>> lot before the fan went through the radiator.  He traded it in on a 
>>> Chevrolet Duramax and hasn't
>>> looked back.  I own a 2003 7.3 Liter Ford Diesel engine in my truck and 
>>> it has been trouble free
> for
>>> 160,000 miles. The Ford 6.4L wasn't all that much better but the Ford 
>>> 6.7 L Diesel engine seems to
> the
>>> best of the bunch so far other than the 7.3L. Consider yourself lucky if 
>>> your 6.0 hasn't had major
>>
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