[AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel
Dennis Johnson
moscowengnr at outlook.com
Tue Jul 28 07:16:11 PDT 2015
Thomas,
I have a friend that had a F350 single wheel with a 6.0 engine. He had injector issues 3 times. The 3rd time he sold it instead of fixing it. I think there is sufficient evidence showing a high failure rate on these fuel systems. Much of it is because this engine uses a lot higher fuel pressure at the injectors than earlier engines. This ultra high pressure does not tolerate anything out of spec, and life sometimes brings stuff out of tolerance. The 6.0 engine may have been the first truck engine to use that high of fuel pressure.
Many times the first "new" type of design or feature is less than perfect, and it takes a few years for the industry to fine tune these "new" designs - anyone remember a 1972 auto with the "new emissions" regulations - probably the worse year in auto history for engine reliability and efficiency.
Thanks,
Dennis
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> On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:56 AM, Thomas Mehrkam <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I have some friends who had no problems with the 6.0.
> Three engines three years in a row sounds like a Dealer problem.
> There were a couple of issues on the 6.0. After they were fixed it was an OK engine.
> I never pulled the trigger on a Diesel. I ended up with a 6.8L V10. Used it was half the cost as the Diesel. I Saved at least 15,000 on it. It is a 2001 and I am still driving it.
> Do a fair amount of towing. I have crossed the Rockies over eight times pulling 7000 lbs. I have been over 13,000 ft solo. It has been in the shop one time. I let them replace the fuel pump because I did not have time. Other than that an AC clutch and power steering pump is it for repairs.
> Maintenance is plugs twice. Brakes once. One U joint and a rear oil seal. I have 225,000 miles on it and still going.
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel
>
> Dead VP,
> I LOVED both of my 7.3's! Each had well over 150,000 miles on then when I finally sold them. Only trouble was one transmission several glo plugs and one injector. I didn,t want a 6.0 F250, but having said that it's been no troubleexcept for those injector--and the REV X sure seemed to fix that!
> Dave
> PS, The fan problem on that 6.0 you mention sure wasn't the engine. A replacement engine would not come with a fan. Someone along the way forgot to replace something properly!
>
>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:02 AM, Dean VP wrote:
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I have a friend in CA who went through a 2003 Ford 6.0L which was replaced by Ford for a 2004 6.0L
>> which was replaced by Ford with a 2005 6.0L and that one he didn't even make it out of the dealer's
>> lot before the fan went through the radiator. He traded it in on a Chevrolet Duramax and hasn't
>> looked back. I own a 2003 7.3 Liter Ford Diesel engine in my truck and it has been trouble free for
>> 160,000 miles. The Ford 6.4L wasn't all that much better but the Ford 6.7 L Diesel engine seems to the
>> best of the bunch so far other than the 7.3L. Consider yourself lucky if your 6.0 hasn't had major
>> problems.
>>
>> Dean VP
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent
>> virtue is the equal sharing of misery." . Sir Winston Churchill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dave Rotigel
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 7:00 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel
>>
>> I had problems with my 2005 F250 6.0. The cross valves(?) in the injectors were sticking and it
>> started hard and idled poorly when cold (ie under 40 degrees). After getting the price for 8 new
>> injectors I tried Rev X added to the oil. After adding it the problem went away--did Rev X solve it?
>> I'm not sure, but I add two bottles each oil change! (The only oil that I have ever used in the engine
>> is Rotella!)
>> Dave
>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Thomas Mehrkam wrote:
>>>
>>> I know there was a problem with the Ford Power strokes. If you used the wrong oil the fuel injection
>> would not work. The oil is used as a hydraulic oil to activate the fuel injectors.
>>> My uncle tried to use the same oil he used in his Massy Tractors which had mechanical fuel injection
>> and it cost him a bunch of money.
>>> I would be very careful using any oil that did not meed the Chrysler specification.
>>>
>>> A couple of oils that meet the specs. There may be other specs that need to be met also. See your
>> owners manual or look at a bottle for the proper Chrysler oil for the specs used in that. There are
>> two one oil made by Pensoil and another Mobil 1. See links below
>>>
>>> Hopefully one or the other is available at Walmart.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5w30 1 Quart (507.00 229.51 MS-11106), IDParts.com
>>>
>>> | |
>>> | | | | | | | |
>>> | Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5w30 1 Quart (507.00 229.51 M... |
>>> | |
>>> | View on www.idparts.com | Preview by Yahoo |
>>> | |
>>> | |
>>>
>>>
>>> Mobil 1T ESP Formula 5W-30
>>>
>>> | |
>>> | | | | | |
>>> | Mobil 1T ESP Formula 5W-30Mobil 1T ESP Formula 5W-30 is an advanced performance synthetic engine
>> oil designed to help provide exceptional cleaning power, wear protection and overall performance. |
>>> | |
>>> | View on www.mobil.com | Preview by Yahoo |
>>> | |
>>> | |
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor OEM filters/Eco Diesel
>>>
>>> Mike - with modern diesels, you have to be very careful to use only the
>>> oils that meet the specific requirements of the engine manufacturer. I
>>> don't know the details on the Ram EcoDiesel, but I can tell you the whole
>>> story from the VW TDI perspective (and note that the Ram has a European
>>> engine, so I am drawing at least some loose parallels here).
>>>
>>> In the case of VW TDI, it is imperative to use only oils that meet VW spec
>>> 507.00. What this boils down to is a high quality full-synthetic oil with
>>> extremely low ash-forming qualities. You need the high quality synth base
>>> stock to survive 10,000 mile drain intervals in a highly stressed
>>> turbocharged application. And, you need the extreme low-ash qualities so
>>> you don't plug up the DPF (diesel particulate filter).
>>>
>>> Rotella T-6 does not meet the Chrysler specification for the Ram EcoDiesel
>>> (which according to Google is Chrysler MS-11106)
>>>
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would think it would be hard to beat Rotella T6 Synthetic, and it's
>>>> only about $5 a quart.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/26/2015 10:31 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote:
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel lucky. The new oil and filters for my Ram ECO-Diesel are not yet
>>>> available at most parts houses. One place listed oil at about $13 per quart
>>>> (10 qt required), but filter was not available. Therefore dealer charges
>>>> $198 for oil and filter change every 10,000 miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, so a few months back I bought a Mahindra 4035 to replace an aging
>>>>>> Massey 255. So far I love it; it sips fuel, and best of all, I'm not
>>>>>> working on it all the time. The OEM recommends changing the original oil
>>>>>> at 50 hours, then every 200 after that. So I called the dealer I bought
>>>>>> the tractor from to see if they had a filter in stock, they did, for the
>>>>>> bargain price of $27!!!!!!!!!! I mean come on, it looks like a regular
>>>>>> filter nothing special. I can't believe Mahindra designed their own
>>>>>> filter when there are thousands of ones already in production. Evil
>>>>>> Dave, have you had any similar issues with your new Kubota? Any thoughts
>>>>>> on how to cross this filter? I've tried to cross the OEM number with
>>>>>> Wix, Baldwin, Donaldson, NAPA, all with no success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>>
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