[AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger
charlie hill
charliehill at embarqmail.com
Sun Feb 10 10:21:46 PST 2013
Thanks Ron, Don't worry, I'm not doubting Cecil in the least. I was just
surprised because no one seemed to have problems with the roadrangers back
when I was driving. Yes a new driver would struggle for a while but within
a few days it got to be just like an old and comfortable pair of shoes.
Charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Cook
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:04 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger
Charlie,
My '97 Freightliner has a Rockwell 10 speed. I forget the number
right now. It does not work near as smooth and easy as the old
Roadrangers did. You definitely have to undo the torque with the clutch
to get it out of the current gear and then it will go in the next
without the clutch. That is how I eventually learned to make it work.
Everyone remarks how nice mine shifts, and I think it is a piece of
crap. It is broken in, too. New ones often are a little hard shifting,
but that is not the case. A neighbor has the same setup in his
Freightliner and there is no one that can get along with that particular
one. Strange. Cecil isn't pulling anyone's leg here. I can
sympathize. Mine is using the synthetic 50 weight that is spec'd for
warranty. And of course it leaks some.
Ron Cook
Salix, IA
On 2/10/2013 5:29 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Wow, I just don't understand that. The ones I drove were smooth as silk.
> You just have to listen to it and feel it and give the lever a tug when
> the
> time is right.
> It'll pop right in. All I can think is that the stuff you drive is newer
> than what I drove
> and maybe the new transmissions are different somehow.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:01 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger
>
>
>
> Most of the time I use the clutch for only starting & stopping. But
> they still are a pain in the butt to shift without grinding. It is
> really embarrassing. I can shift nearly anything without the clutch,
> even my tractors, but these roadrangers are the most diffficult. I
> finally just give up and quit worrying about it...
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
> On 2/9/2013 10:01 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Wow, I've driven RTO 9513's and RTO 12513's as well as the 10 speed road
>> rangers (not sure of the model #)
>> and they are all smooth as silk. It does take a day or two to get used
>> to
>> them, or it for me but after that
>> it's simple. In fact back when I was sitting behind one all the time I
>> could shift the 13 speeds or the 10's
>> up or down through the gears and never touch the clutch pedal except for
>> starting off and stopping.
>> You just have to wait for it to tell you it's time and it will pull it's
>> self right in gear. I never had any problem
>> taking off in the high side of the transmission either when unloaded.
>> The
>> stuff I was driving didn’t have
>> enough power or the right gearing to take off in the high side with a
>> load.
>> I mostly drove 8V-71 Detroits or
>> 290 or 350 Cummins. They were in Brockways, KW's, GMC's, Fords,
>> Peterbilts
>> and IH's .
>> Speaking of speed, one Brockway that I drove for a couple of years had an
>> 8-71 Detroit with an RTO 12513
>> and 4.11 gears on 22 inch tires. It would run 86 mph empty and would get
>> close to it loaded. It would tap the
>> governor in 12th loaded but generally wouldn't get past about 2200 rpm
>> loaded in 13th. The rack was set for 2450 rpm.
>> We had one mechanic that was an ace on Detroit racks. He could make one
>> purr. If Herman had recently set the rack on it
>> it would tap the governor in 13th as long as the load wasn't much over
>> 80,000 lbs. That truck had dual stacks behind the
>> cab corners on a day cab and they had been gutted. It would sing for
>> everyone to hear and my ears are ringing right now
>> from listening to her for those years.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:50 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger
>>
>> Charlie:
>> I have an 84 Ford L9000 w/ 3406 Cat and 12 spd Spicer. It tops out at
>> about 80mph. I have an 83 LTL9000 w/ 3406 Cat and RT913, it tips out at
>> 62, Downhill, with a tailwind!
>>
>> I can start out the Spicer in high range with no problem. I do not
>> normally have to use the lower 6 gears. In fact if I had to have them,
>> I would be out of luck as the air shifter control valve got some
>> moisture in it and I have not yet unstuck it.
>>
>> I have to move the roadranger in one of the lower 6 gears to get it
>> started Then shift into high range. I may only have to move 20 ft, but
>> it has to start out in those lower range gears.
>>
>> I started driving in an old 12 spd spicer that had the 2spd input, 2
>> spd output, and 3 gears in the middle, behind a 238 v-8 detroit. I
>> kept bean cans hung under the airbox oil drains it leaked so much. It
>> ran like a bat out of hell though...
>>
>> I always wanted a roadranger. I finally got an RTO 9513 in the old 75
>> chevy firetruck I drove back from NJ a few years back. I could never
>> shift it without clashing the gears. I got the LTL with the roadranger
>> and still couldn't shift without grinding, later got a FLC 120
>> Freightliner with a 400 Cummins and a RTO9513, I have no idea what it is
>> geared at, but it pegs the speedometer and still has more left, but must
>> start out in the lower range. I guess I just need to stay with the
>> Spicer Trans, but it is pretty hard to do since Rockwell bought them
>> out....
>>
>> All of my Transmissions have PTO's on both sides. They leak oil, never
>> had one that did not leak. I have a mixture of 85/140 and Mystic
>> Central Lube (00 grease) in them to keep them from leaking out. Better
>> a thick grease than none at all....
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>> On 2/9/2013 7:19 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Cecil, you might like those Roadrangers better when you get the right
>>> oil
>>> in them.. grins.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:12 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson
>>>
>>> Charlie:
>>> I hate to appear ignorant, but I just found that out. I have 3
>>> Roadranger transmissions and I use Mystic JT-7 85/140 They are a little
>>> difficult to shift when cold, but I just thought that was a
>>> roadranger. I grew up with a Spicer 12 speed. Frankly, I still prefer
>>> them over the 13 spd Roadranger.
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2013 1:31 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>> Cecil, unless they have changed since my gear jamming days, all
>>>> Fuller
>>>> Roadranger transmissions in heavy trucks
>>>> use mineral oil in the transmissions so it should be easy enough to
>>>> find
>>>> it
>>>> through heavy truck suppliers.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:19 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson
>>>>
>>>> 90 wt Pure Mineral OIl. It may be hard to find. I had to buy some
>>>> from NAPA last year... API GL-1. Try an older oil supplier. The new
>>>> guys will just give you a dumb look.
>>>> Here is a couple of links to give you a spec so you can find it.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.frontierlubricants.com/Gear_Lubes
>>>> http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1610&ProductCat=Automotive&ProductSCat=Gear%20Oils&ProductSSCat=90%20WT%20Gear%20Oil%20%20GL-1
>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/8/2013 3:35 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>>>> My brother is working on TO-20 Ferguson and it needs
>>>>> transmission/hydraulic fluid. We are not sure what type or oil goes
>>>>> in
>>>>> this tractor. What is the correct transmission oil?
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