[AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger

Mike meulenms at gmx.com
Sun Feb 10 12:07:52 PST 2013 

You still have warranty left on a '97 Freightliner! That's a heck of a 
warranty, or is it on a rebuild?
Mike M


On 2/10/2013 1:04 PM, Ron Cook wrote:
> Charlie,
>       My '97 Freightliner has a Rockwell 10 speed.  I forget the number
> right now.  It does not work near as smooth and easy as the old
> Roadrangers did.  You definitely have to undo the torque with the clutch
> to get it out of the current gear and then it will go in the next
> without the clutch.  That is how I eventually learned to make it work.
> Everyone remarks how nice mine shifts, and I think it is a piece of
> crap.  It is broken in, too.  New ones often are a little hard shifting,
> but that is not the case.  A neighbor has the same setup in his
> Freightliner and there is no one that can get along with that particular
> one.  Strange.  Cecil isn't pulling anyone's leg here.  I can
> sympathize.  Mine is using the synthetic 50 weight that is spec'd for
> warranty.  And of course it leaks some.
>
> Ron Cook
> Salix, IA
> On 2/10/2013 5:29 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Wow,  I just don't understand that.  The ones I drove were smooth as silk.
>> You just have to listen to it and feel it and give the lever a tug when the
>> time is right.
>> It'll pop right in.  All I can think is that the stuff you drive is newer
>> than what I drove
>> and maybe the new transmissions are different somehow.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:01 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the time I use the clutch for only starting & stopping.  But
>> they still are a pain in the butt to shift without grinding.  It is
>> really embarrassing.  I can shift nearly anything without the clutch,
>> even my tractors, but these roadrangers are the most diffficult.  I
>> finally just give up and quit worrying about it...
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>> On 2/9/2013 10:01 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Wow,  I've driven RTO 9513's and RTO 12513's as well as the 10 speed road
>>> rangers (not sure of the model #)
>>> and they are all smooth as silk.  It does take a day or two to get used to
>>> them, or it for me but after that
>>> it's simple.  In fact back when I was sitting behind one all the time I
>>> could shift the 13 speeds or the 10's
>>> up or down through the gears and never touch the clutch pedal except for
>>> starting off and stopping.
>>> You just have to wait for it to tell you it's time and it will pull it's
>>> self right in gear.  I never had any problem
>>> taking off in the high side of the transmission either when unloaded.  The
>>> stuff I was driving didn’t have
>>> enough power or the right gearing to take off in the high side with a
>>> load.
>>> I mostly drove 8V-71 Detroits or
>>> 290 or 350 Cummins.  They were in Brockways, KW's, GMC's, Fords,
>>> Peterbilts
>>> and IH's .
>>> Speaking of speed, one Brockway that I drove for a couple of years had an
>>> 8-71 Detroit with an RTO 12513
>>> and 4.11 gears on 22 inch tires.  It would run 86 mph empty and would get
>>> close to it loaded.  It would tap the
>>> governor in 12th loaded but generally wouldn't get past about 2200 rpm
>>> loaded in 13th.  The rack was set for 2450 rpm.
>>> We had one mechanic that was an ace on Detroit racks.  He could make one
>>> purr.  If Herman had recently set the rack on it
>>> it would tap the governor in 13th as long as the load wasn't much over
>>> 80,000 lbs.  That truck had dual stacks behind the
>>> cab corners on a day cab and they had been gutted.  It would sing for
>>> everyone to hear and my ears are ringing right now
>>> from listening to her for those years.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:50 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger
>>>
>>> Charlie:
>>> I have an 84 Ford L9000 w/ 3406 Cat and 12 spd Spicer.  It tops out at
>>> about 80mph.  I have an 83 LTL9000 w/ 3406 Cat and RT913, it tips out at
>>> 62, Downhill, with a tailwind!
>>>
>>>      I can start out the Spicer in high range with no problem.  I do not
>>> normally have to use the lower 6 gears.  In fact if I had to have them,
>>> I would be out of luck as the air shifter control valve got some
>>> moisture in it and I have not yet unstuck it.
>>>
>>> I have to move the roadranger in one of the lower 6 gears to get it
>>> started Then shift into high range.  I may only have to move 20 ft, but
>>> it has to start out in those lower range gears.
>>>
>>>      I started driving  in an old 12 spd spicer that had the 2spd input, 2
>>> spd output, and 3 gears in the middle, behind a 238 v-8 detroit.   I
>>> kept bean cans hung under the airbox oil drains it leaked so much.  It
>>> ran like a bat out of hell though...
>>>
>>> I always wanted a roadranger.  I finally got an RTO 9513 in the old 75
>>> chevy firetruck I drove back from NJ a few years back.  I could never
>>> shift it without clashing the gears.  I got the LTL with the roadranger
>>> and still couldn't shift without grinding, later got a FLC 120
>>> Freightliner with a 400 Cummins and a RTO9513, I have no idea what it is
>>> geared at, but it pegs the speedometer and still has more left, but must
>>> start out in the lower range. I guess I just need to stay with the
>>> Spicer Trans, but it is pretty hard to do since Rockwell bought them
>>> out....
>>>
>>> All of my Transmissions have PTO's on both sides.  They leak oil, never
>>> had one that did not leak.    I have a mixture of 85/140 and Mystic
>>> Central Lube (00 grease) in them to keep them from leaking out.  Better
>>> a thick grease than none at all....
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2013 7:19 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>> Cecil,  you might like those Roadrangers better when you get the right
>>>> oil
>>>> in them.. grins.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:12 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson
>>>>
>>>> Charlie:
>>>> I hate to appear ignorant, but I just found that out.  I have 3
>>>> Roadranger transmissions and I use Mystic JT-7 85/140 They are a little
>>>> difficult to shift when cold, but I just thought that was a
>>>> roadranger.   I grew up with a Spicer 12 speed.  Frankly, I still prefer
>>>> them over the 13 spd Roadranger.
>>>>
>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/9/2013 1:31 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>>> Cecil,  unless they have changed since my gear jamming days,  all Fuller
>>>>> Roadranger transmissions in heavy trucks
>>>>> use mineral oil in the transmissions so it should be easy enough to find
>>>>> it
>>>>> through heavy truck suppliers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:19 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson
>>>>>
>>>>> 90 wt Pure Mineral OIl.   It may be hard to find.  I had to buy some
>>>>> from NAPA last year...  API GL-1.  Try an older oil supplier.  The new
>>>>> guys will just give you a dumb look.
>>>>> Here is a couple of links to give you a spec so you can find it.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.frontierlubricants.com/Gear_Lubes
>>>>> http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1610&ProductCat=Automotive&ProductSCat=Gear%20Oils&ProductSSCat=90%20WT%20Gear%20Oil%20%20GL-1
>>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/8/2013 3:35 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>>>>> My brother is working on TO-20 Ferguson and it needs
>>>>>> transmission/hydraulic fluid.  We are not sure what type or oil goes in
>>>>>> this tractor.  What is the correct transmission oil?
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