[AT] potato planting

Wed Apr 17 07:05:46 PDT 2013

Charlie,
He was a fantastic neighbor, would give you the shirt off his back.  He cussed every other word, was one of the best gardeners I have ever seen, could graft a tree limb onto a wooden bar stool and make it live, and could tear up an anvil with a rotten banana.  His son was just about as bad, he's mellowed out some in middle age now.  Anyway I never heard that B run on more than maybe 3 cylinders--but she kept on running!  He had a huge garden and I would venture to guess that the Bee ran probably 3 days out of 5 in garden season. About the last 2-3 years he was able to have a garden, the engine finally puked and they found another B engine somewhere and did a transplant.  I don't think it ran much better than the other engine. :)  His son still has the B stored under his shed, pretty much how it was left when he died.

Al

-----Original Message-----
>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 8:46 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>That is their major strength Al.  They are tough as nails
>and over powered for their size.
>
>Charlie
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Al Jones
>Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:28 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>Naw I'm good....used to have a neighbor that gardened with an Allis B.  He 
>proved that they had it right when they designed the B.  It was well-run 
>into the ground when he got it, I swear I don't know how it ran but it did!
>
>Al
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 7:27 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>LOL,  Al, John, John, Al....... no problem.
>>We might have both made Al mad?
>>Once again I was attempting to "multi-task"
>>while handling my e-mail.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:05 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>This would be a great time for you to get mad at me Charlie, since you
>>thought it was Al that sent that last post instead of yours truly!
>>
>>John Hall
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: charlie hill
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:13 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>One more thing Al.  I actually spent a lot of time on A's, Super A's
>>and 140's as a child.  I like them.  I just love the AC stuff because
>>that is what we had on our place by circumstance and I grew up with
>>it.  My uncle that we farmed with and my grandfather on my mom's side
>>both ran IH stuff.   My grandfather never had anything but IH stuff.  He 
>>had
>>an A, H and a Super M.  He had a PTO combine and a bailer that were IH 
>>also.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: charlie hill
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:00 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>you covered it well Al and no I'm not mad because you
>>are absolutely right.  I grew up on AC stuff and am very
>>fond of it but a B, C, CA or the D-10 I cut my teeth on can't
>>hold a candle to a Super A or 140 for one row cultivation.
>>The front cultivator frames on AC stuff have too much slop
>>in them (not worn out.  they were like that new)
>>and you have to start with the plows in closer than
>>you want to allow for them to push out when they hit the
>>resistance of the dirt plus it's harder to see what you are plowing
>>on the AC tractors because of the IH offset engine/drive train.
>>There are some advantages to the AC stuff but not for cultivating.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:37 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>Sorry Herb! I did leave a lot of folks in the dark with that!  Here in
>>tobacco country it is pretty much a given fact that 95% or more of gardens
>>tended by tractors are done so by the Farmall offset series tractors--Cubs
>>through 140's. Yes there are some Allis B's and G's and a few Deere M's and
>>40's, but they just don't work as well for cultivating, never have never
>>will. If that offends anyone, get over it, the sales numbers don't lie.
>>Now that you know what style tractor I am referring to, here is how they 
>>are
>>set-up to cultivate. The front cultivators (mounted under the center of the
>>tractor) are switched up for different tasks. For making rows, You pretty
>>much have 2 options, disc hillers and buzzard wings. Disc hillers are
>>essentially 12-14" dia cupped discs, like a harrow or disc plow uses, set 
>>to
>>oppose each other that will throw the dirt towards the center of the
>>tractor. Buzzard wings are about 18-24" long pieces of flat steel in pretty
>>much an elongated tear drop shaped pattern, they are setup the same way as
>>disc hillers. Buzzard wings allow you to drive faster as they push the 
>>dirt,
>>where the disc hillers can throw the dirt beyond where you want it to go.
>>Immediately behind the rear wheels are mounted a large V-shaped cultivator
>>sweep about 18-20" wide. This is for plowing out the middles (where the
>>tractor runs).
>>
>>Start with your land harrowed (disced) to your satisfaction. If you want
>>tall plant beds, run your front and rear cultivators. Careful or you will
>>get them so high you can't get any dirt to your plants later on. We
>>generally use the front rather shallow and the back down all the way. Once
>>you have your rows bedded, you can drove on top of them and let your back
>>sweeps down to open the rows, obviously you will be working to rows at 
>>once.
>>There is another option which is to install a row opener on the front
>>cultivators. This is just a single small shovel that does the same as using
>>the rear seeps, just on one row at a time.
>>
>>Once the crop is up there are multiple options for cultivating including
>>using multiple small shovels or straight teeth (similar to a chisel plow),
>>rolling cultivtors (think rotary hoe mounted on a compound angle so it will
>>work the side of the bed to tear up weeds as well as move dirt toward the
>>plants), also fertilizer attachments can be used.
>>
>>Hope this clears things up a bit.
>>
>>Al, Charlie, feel free to add anything I missed. Of course Charlie is
>>probably mad at me because I don't like his beloved AC's for cultivating!
>>
>>John Hall
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Herb Metz
>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 11:05 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>
>>John,
>>Your descriptive reply is probably very complete, but to a person from the
>>midwest, it is not understandable.  Would appreciate further elaboration,
>>using different terms.
>>TIA, Herb
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:36 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>Charlie, we bed the land and then drive on top of the row and run just the
>>rear sweeps to open them. Generally we don't bed it too high initially or
>>you'll never get any dirt up to the plants.
>>
>>John Hall
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: charlie hill
>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 4:44 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>Ron when I was growing up that was pretty much standard for all garden rows
>>as well as tobacco rows.
>>Then we had a board or something similar to a grader blade that knocked off
>>the top of the row to
>>make a flat spot for planting.  Folks still do it here for gardens.   For
>>big time farming it's all done
>>with one machine as Grant described.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Ron Cook
>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 2:14 PM
>>To: jdat ; Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>Has anyone used a lister to prepare a potato patch for planting?
>>
>>Ron Cook
>>Salix, IA
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