[AT] potato planting

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Wed Apr 17 16:10:23 PDT 2013


Yep they are tough old girls.  I've about run all of mine into the ground 
and before long I'm
going to have to spend some money on them but they just keep on going.   I 
went to a tractor
junk yard once with another AC guy and we were looking for some parts.  The 
guy told us he
didn't fool with AC parts.  Wayne asked him why.  He said "I can't sell 
them.  The things don't
ever break down".    True story.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Al Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:05 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting

Charlie,
He was a fantastic neighbor, would give you the shirt off his back.  He 
cussed every other word, was one of the best gardeners I have ever seen, 
could graft a tree limb onto a wooden bar stool and make it live, and could 
tear up an anvil with a rotten banana.  His son was just about as bad, he's 
mellowed out some in middle age now.  Anyway I never heard that B run on 
more than maybe 3 cylinders--but she kept on running!  He had a huge garden 
and I would venture to guess that the Bee ran probably 3 days out of 5 in 
garden season. About the last 2-3 years he was able to have a garden, the 
engine finally puked and they found another B engine somewhere and did a 
transplant.  I don't think it ran much better than the other engine. :)  His 
son still has the B stored under his shed, pretty much how it was left when 
he died.

Al







-----Original Message-----
>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 8:46 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>That is their major strength Al.  They are tough as nails
>and over powered for their size.
>
>Charlie
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Al Jones
>Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:28 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>Naw I'm good....used to have a neighbor that gardened with an Allis B.  He
>proved that they had it right when they designed the B.  It was well-run
>into the ground when he got it, I swear I don't know how it ran but it did!
>
>Al
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 7:27 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>LOL,  Al, John, John, Al....... no problem.
>>We might have both made Al mad?
>>Once again I was attempting to "multi-task"
>>while handling my e-mail.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:05 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>This would be a great time for you to get mad at me Charlie, since you
>>thought it was Al that sent that last post instead of yours truly!
>>
>>John Hall
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: charlie hill
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:13 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>One more thing Al.  I actually spent a lot of time on A's, Super A's
>>and 140's as a child.  I like them.  I just love the AC stuff because
>>that is what we had on our place by circumstance and I grew up with
>>it.  My uncle that we farmed with and my grandfather on my mom's side
>>both ran IH stuff.   My grandfather never had anything but IH stuff.  He
>>had
>>an A, H and a Super M.  He had a PTO combine and a bailer that were IH
>>also.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: charlie hill
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:00 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>you covered it well Al and no I'm not mad because you
>>are absolutely right.  I grew up on AC stuff and am very
>>fond of it but a B, C, CA or the D-10 I cut my teeth on can't
>>hold a candle to a Super A or 140 for one row cultivation.
>>The front cultivator frames on AC stuff have too much slop
>>in them (not worn out.  they were like that new)
>>and you have to start with the plows in closer than
>>you want to allow for them to push out when they hit the
>>resistance of the dirt plus it's harder to see what you are plowing
>>on the AC tractors because of the IH offset engine/drive train.
>>There are some advantages to the AC stuff but not for cultivating.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:37 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>Sorry Herb! I did leave a lot of folks in the dark with that!  Here in
>>tobacco country it is pretty much a given fact that 95% or more of gardens
>>tended by tractors are done so by the Farmall offset series tractors--Cubs
>>through 140's. Yes there are some Allis B's and G's and a few Deere M's 
>>and
>>40's, but they just don't work as well for cultivating, never have never
>>will. If that offends anyone, get over it, the sales numbers don't lie.
>>Now that you know what style tractor I am referring to, here is how they
>>are
>>set-up to cultivate. The front cultivators (mounted under the center of 
>>the
>>tractor) are switched up for different tasks. For making rows, You pretty
>>much have 2 options, disc hillers and buzzard wings. Disc hillers are
>>essentially 12-14" dia cupped discs, like a harrow or disc plow uses, set
>>to
>>oppose each other that will throw the dirt towards the center of the
>>tractor. Buzzard wings are about 18-24" long pieces of flat steel in 
>>pretty
>>much an elongated tear drop shaped pattern, they are setup the same way as
>>disc hillers. Buzzard wings allow you to drive faster as they push the
>>dirt,
>>where the disc hillers can throw the dirt beyond where you want it to go.
>>Immediately behind the rear wheels are mounted a large V-shaped cultivator
>>sweep about 18-20" wide. This is for plowing out the middles (where the
>>tractor runs).
>>
>>Start with your land harrowed (disced) to your satisfaction. If you want
>>tall plant beds, run your front and rear cultivators. Careful or you will
>>get them so high you can't get any dirt to your plants later on. We
>>generally use the front rather shallow and the back down all the way. Once
>>you have your rows bedded, you can drove on top of them and let your back
>>sweeps down to open the rows, obviously you will be working to rows at
>>once.
>>There is another option which is to install a row opener on the front
>>cultivators. This is just a single small shovel that does the same as 
>>using
>>the rear seeps, just on one row at a time.
>>
>>Once the crop is up there are multiple options for cultivating including
>>using multiple small shovels or straight teeth (similar to a chisel plow),
>>rolling cultivtors (think rotary hoe mounted on a compound angle so it 
>>will
>>work the side of the bed to tear up weeds as well as move dirt toward the
>>plants), also fertilizer attachments can be used.
>>
>>Hope this clears things up a bit.
>>
>>Al, Charlie, feel free to add anything I missed. Of course Charlie is
>>probably mad at me because I don't like his beloved AC's for cultivating!
>>
>>John Hall
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Herb Metz
>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 11:05 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>
>>John,
>>Your descriptive reply is probably very complete, but to a person from the
>>midwest, it is not understandable.  Would appreciate further elaboration,
>>using different terms.
>>TIA, Herb
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:36 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>Charlie, we bed the land and then drive on top of the row and run just the
>>rear sweeps to open them. Generally we don't bed it too high initially or
>>you'll never get any dirt up to the plants.
>>
>>John Hall
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: charlie hill
>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 4:44 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>Ron when I was growing up that was pretty much standard for all garden 
>>rows
>>as well as tobacco rows.
>>Then we had a board or something similar to a grader blade that knocked 
>>off
>>the top of the row to
>>make a flat spot for planting.  Folks still do it here for gardens.   For
>>big time farming it's all done
>>with one machine as Grant described.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Ron Cook
>>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 2:14 PM
>>To: jdat ; Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: [AT] potato planting
>>
>>Has anyone used a lister to prepare a potato patch for planting?
>>
>>Ron Cook
>>Salix, IA
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