[AT] Off Topic, Logging property
Doug Tallman
dtallman at accnorwalk.com
Sun Sep 23 10:38:03 PDT 2012
You know, Paul. It;s Kalifornee. Our resident English professor taught
us that! Doug T
Paul Waugh wrote:
> I can't seem to find anything on Google about what KA is ... must not be
> important.
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
>
> Didn't someone once say "Those who give up their liberty for security live
> in KA and vote for OBAMA"?
> Dave
>
> On Sep 23, 2012, at 7:15 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>
>
>> I think Mr. Jefferson made the definitive statement on this subject a
>> few hundred years ago. Unfortunately we didn't listen well.
>>
>> "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
>> blood of patriots and tyrants. ... God forbid we should ever be twenty
>> years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its
>> liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their
>> people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." --
>> Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Meulenberg
>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:44 AM
>> To: at
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
>>
>> But therin lies the problem Grant, you see the old trees once
>> established have figured out how to pass rules in the forest to make
>> sure they never get pruned. They take fruit and seeds from some
>> plants, and distribute them to other plants and animals in the forest,
>> making sure those plants and animals know that the old trees where
>> responsible for their freebies. Now when it comes time to get pruned
>> guess who is seen as too valuable to prune? Why of course it's the old
>> trees who provide for all the other plants animals of the forest, with
>> things that don't belong to them in the first place. Mike M
>>
>>
>> ----- Receiving the following content -----
>> From: Grant Brians
>> Receiver: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Time: 2012-09-21, 11:54:35
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
>>
>>
>> Every so often a
>> massive pruning is just smart. When did we have a massive pruning
>> last???? I look forward to that happening, but also a society of law
>> is not Socialism, it is a functioning society.
>> Grant Brians
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:22 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
>>
>>
>> You mean that in KA there are still some areas where an individual
>> still has the freedom to use their personal property as they see fit?
>> This is NOT GOOD! VOTE OBAMA and and MORE socialism!
>> Dave
>> PS, "Land of Fruits and Nuts"? Now I understand!
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Grant Brians wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Here in California we have two basic classes of forest - those in
>>> areas where there are controls enforced and those where the controls are
>>>
> not.
>
>> The
>>
>>> Santa Cruz Mountains near us are one of the areas that are managed
>>> forests that the timber companies only harvest in ways that are
>>> sustainable and everyone involved KNOWS that the plan will be
>>> followed. On the other hand, even though plans are required for any
>>> forests, here in my county, there
>>>
>> are
>>
>>> people that just indiscriminately cut down the old growth oak and
>>> pines
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> assume the state's foresters will not catch them or will just
>>> admonish
>>>
>> them.
>>
>>> I know of one rancher that is a terrible offender like this, but so
>>> far
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> forester has not been able to prove that the rancher is the one doing
>>> the work because the forester covers an area about the size of Sweden....
>>> Firewood collection is something that is needed from some of our
>>> forests to assure the larger trees make it to harvest maturity
>>> because of the low precipitation levels of much of California. But at
>>> the same time intelligence is CLEARLY needed to retain the soils
>>> (nearly all forest in California is on hillsides or mountainsides,
>>> much of which exceeds 30% grades and some as much as 75%) and to keep
>>> the proper mix of plants to support wildlife and control erosion.
>>> Some states do not require forest management plans, but thankfully we
>>> do - the lack thereof in past times
>>>
>> led
>>
>>> to spectacular flood events and property and habitat destruction, we
>>>
>> learned
>>
>>> the hard way and with many lawyers and insurance companies involved....
>>> Grant Brians
>>> Hollister,California Vegetable, Fruit and Nuts farmer
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Mattias
>>> Kessen
>>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:47 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
>>>
>>>
>>> You Americans never seize to surprise. No offense but is it common to
>>> own forest without a plan and harvest often for firewood. I'm
>>> beginning to question my understanding of the English language and I
>>> know little about modern forest industry here but... I'm surprised.
>>> I've always thought forest to be a long term investment. Once again
>>> no offense I'm aware that our societies are very different and can't
>>> be compared therefor (which is very apparent when you read most
>>> Swedish newspapers reporting from USA, using our standards for you is
>>>
> absurd as the other way around).
>
>>> I think I've got to pour me another whisky here in the sauna and read
>>> more of Arto Paasilinnas great authorship.
>>>
>>> Mattias
>>> Den 17 sep 2012 16:22 skrev "Mark Greer" <markagreer at embarqmail.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You need to create a "Timber Management Plan". This involves having
>>>> a qualified forester advise/help you develop a plan for your
>>>> woodlot's specific conditions and your specific intentions for it.
>>>> You will
>>>>
>>> inventory
>>>
>>>> and value trees which have good potential and then develop a plan to
>>>> help them reach that potential at a faster rate. This involves
>>>> Timber Stand Improvement (TSI) work which may include selective
>>>> thinning around crop trees, trimming/removing grape vines, selective
>>>> harvesting for timber, etc., etc. It is an ongoing process but can
>>>> be financially very much
>>>>
>> worth
>>
>>>> your while. Your local Ag Extension service would be one place to
>>>> start looking for this information to get started. Pennsylvania DCNR
>>>> is also a good place to start looking for information.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/forestry/privatelands.aspx
>>>>
>>>> An active Timber Management plan is a must for land owned where you
>>>> plan to sell timber some day. The tax ramifications of not having a
>>>> documented working plan can make it not worth selling timber because
>>>> you stand to
>>>>
>>> lose
>>>
>>>> so much of a sale to taxes. By inventorying and valuing the trees at
>>>> the time of land purchase and then looking at the difference in
>>>> value at the time of sale, you can count a sale as a capital gain
>>>> and only owe the
>>>>
>>> lower
>>>
>>>> capital gains tax rate on the difference (the capital gain) vs. just
>>>> selling timber and paying the higher income tax rate on the WHOLE sale.
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I think I'm going to contact an un-biased forester and create a
>>>> logging plan.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully we will follow the plan and there will be no surprises in
>>>> the family.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you everybody for the information.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Will
>>>> SE PA
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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