[AT] OT, Reverse Camera

Howard Weeks weeksh at att.net
Sun Jan 1 09:06:20 PST 2012 

I have had a camera on the rear of a flatbed truck (came installed on 
the truck) for several years.  The display in the cab is a color LCD. 
There is another camera mounted on the right mirror that looks at the 
blind spot on the right side.  Rear camera is on and displayed all 
the time when driving.  It switches to the mirror camera when the 
right turn signal is on.  

Has not been that useful to me.  In the day time, I can't see the 
display well unough to use it (bright day).  When cloudy or late in 
the day or night, it is viewable but the depth of field is stretched 
out enough that it is dangerous.  At night, the headlights bloom the 
display and that coupled with the depth of field issue about makes it 
useless to me.

Howard

On 1 Jan 2012 at 10:44, Dick Day wrote:

> Will do.  The only major complaints are:
> 
> 1. Instructions are worthless (honestly don't need them)
> 2. Display lens is not as reflective as some would like.
> 
> I would gladly give up the shiny center mirror for a 4x7 display vs.
> the 2.5 or 3.5 inch suction cup model.
> 
> I will keep you posted.
> 
> here is a link to the unit...
> 
> http://www.pyleaudio.com/sku/PLCM7200/7-TFT-Mirror-Monitor-w-License-P
> late-Mount-Rear-View-Night-Vision-Camera
> 
> It shows retail at a ridiculous price, Amazon/eBay has them for les
> than $80.
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Herbert Metz" <metz-h.b at comcast.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:31 AM
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
> 
> >
> > Happy New Year Everyone.
> > Dick
> > At  <$80, I may be interested in the backup camera for hooking up my
> > 18' tandem axle car hauler trailer. Also, if depth of view is
> > considerable, it might be good for monitoring security of some
> > unusual load; even though I use the thought that my load security
> > would pass the disgruntaled eye of even a law enforcement official
> > who had an arguement with their spouse just before leaving for work.
> > So, would appreciate your re-posting.
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Dick Day <ddss at telebeep.com>
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Date: 12/31/2011 11:29:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
> >>
> >> Charlie, both cars have the towing package, so I will start there.
> >>
> >> This is a different sort of setup. Rather than having a small
> >> GPS-like screen that sticks to the windshield with a suction cup,
> >> the display is actually embedded in a large mirror that fits snugly
> >> over the existing mirror.  When the camera is not activated, the
> >> screen is "almost" as reflective as a mirror. When the camera kicks
> >> in, it's a 4x7 inch
> > display.
> >> The actual assembly is just over 10 inches wide, just about the
> >> same as
> > the
> >> original mirror.
> >>
> >> It was priced about the same as the 3.5" suction cup display units,
> >> < $80.
> >>
> >> If anyone is interested, I'll re-post and let you know how it
> >> works.
> >>
> >> Thanks again for the advice.
> >>
> >> Dick
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:37 PM
> >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
> >>
> >> > Dick I realized after I wrote that you mentioned it being a Nav'
> >> > in the first post.  I guess the wiring on them is similar to the
> >> > Expeditions
> > but
> >> > I
> >> > don't know a thing about them other than it should have a towing
> >> > harness connector in the back somewhere as someone else
> >> > mentioned.   I know
> > what
> >> > you
> >> > mean about getting under a dash.  My spine is still in fairly
> >> > good
> > shape
> >> > but
> >> > until they make zoom lens glasses I can't do a thing under the
> >> > dash and
> > if
> >> > I
> >> > tried I'd have to pull the front seat first.   If you can find a
> >> > kid
> > about
> >> > 23 years old that works in a car audio place he can put it in
> >> > before
> > you
> >> > can
> >> > spell cat.
> >> > The problem is finding one you trust.
> >> >
> >> > Charlie
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message----- 
> >> > From: Dick Day
> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 5:06 PM
> >> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
> >> >
> >> > Hey guys, I really appreciate the help!
> >> >
> >> > This is going in my wife's 2003 Lincoln Navigator.  Once that is
> >> > done, I'll do our 2007 Navigator.
> >> >
> >> > Again, anything I can do to shorten my time under the dash would
> >> > be appreciated.  I enjoy doing this sort of thing but arthritis
> >> > in the
> > spine
> >> > has taken its toll :)
> >> >
> >> > Dick
> >> >
> >> > --------------------------------------------------
> >> > From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:02 PM
> >> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> >> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
> >> >
> >> >> Dick,  what brand, model and year car/truck are you putting it
> >> >> on.
> > That
> >> >> might help.  Someone might know the specifics.
> >> >>
> >> >> Charlie
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> >> From: Alan Nadeau
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:59 PM
> >> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
> >> >>
> >> >> Dick,
> >> >>
> >> >> You're overlooking something.  The reverse lights are at the
> >> >> back of
> > the
> >> >> car
> >> >> but they have to get switched somewhere that is convenient.  At
> >> >> one
> > time
> >> >> the
> >> >> RL switch was on the transmission.  Now it is probably somewhere
> >> >> on the steering column under the dash.  I your new rig, since it
> >> >> is most
> > likely
> >> >> all
> >> >> electronic(no mechanical shift linkage) it could be anywhere or
> >> >> even a sub-circuit off whatever triggers reverse in the
> >> >> transmission.  At any rate there is a wire in there somewhere
> >> >> that either feeds the RL on the vehicle or triggers a relay
> >> >> which feeds the RL.  It is also possible that the
> > RL
> >> >> are
> >> >> switched on the ground side which would require a relay that
> >> >> would
> > switch
> >> >> the camera on when it (the relay) was grounded.  Not hard to do
> >> >> either way but the first step is to visit your dealer and ask to
> >> >> look over a
> > wiring
> >> >> schematic.  If you can get your hands on a service manual for a
> >> >> few minutes you can find out which side of the circuit is
> >> >> getting switched as well
> > as
> >> >> both the circuit number (will be imprinted on the wire every few
> > inches
> >> >> or
> >> >> at the connections at the least), the color code of the wires
> >> >> involved and a "component locator"  which will tell you where to
> >> >> look for things.  It
> > is
> >> >> also possible, and very easy to rig one manual switch which will
> >> >> allow the camera to be triggered manually, automatically, or
> >> >> left off at all
> > times.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's a link to a wiring diagram for the switching.
> >> >> http://www.snowplowing-contractors.com/alan_reverse_lights.html
> >> >>
> >> >> If the system is switched on the hot side follow the left hand
> >> >> drawing with the camera wired on the wire(blue) marked "new
> >> >> lights".  The camera shouldn't draw much power so that drawing
> >> >> should work.  If the camera doesn't have it's own supply
> >> >> connection, and does draw all it's power
> > off
> >> >> the trigger lead it might be best to wire it using the right
> >> >> hand
> > drawing
> >> >> where the only current added to the RL circuit is the tiny
> >> >> amount used
> > to
> >> >> trigger the relay.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Dick Day" <ddss at telebeep.com>
> >> >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> >> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:06 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> That's what I may end up doing.   The reverse lights wire will
> >> >>> provide the easiest place to find what I need, but they are at
> >> >>> the back of the car and the connection that ties to it is from
> >> >>> the display which is at the
> > dash.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It's a shame cars don't have a punch-down block (used in 
> >> >>> phone/network
> >> >>> wiring).  It appears that everything is done with individual
> > harnesses.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Looks like I will run another line next to the shielded video
> >> >>> cable
> > from
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> back of the car to the front.  I'll make sure it's got an
> >> >>> in-line fuse that's easy to get to.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks for all of the help.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Dick
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >> >>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:52 AM
> >> >>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> >> >>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Ok I understand now.   How much power does the camera draw? 
> >> >>>> You may well be able to simply tap the hot wire to one of the
> >> >>>> back up lights.   I
> > think
> >> >>>> if
> >> >>>> it was me that's what I'd try.  The worst that can happen is a
> >> >>>> blown fuse. You could tap both back up light circuits, run the
> >> >>>> wires to a central point and tie them together.  That would
> >> >>>> split the load between the two.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- 
> >> >>>> From: Dick Day
> >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:23 AM
> >> >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks. What I actually need is a lead that only becomes
> >> >>>> energized
> > when
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> car is put into reverse.  The reverse fuse circuit is bundled
> >> >>>> with several other circuits, so unless I can find a lead
> >> >>>> somewhere under the dash that handles just the reverse lights,
> >> >>>> I'm pretty sure I'll end up running
> > an
> >> >>>> extra line. Not a big deal, was just hoping to avoid running a
> >> >>>> 12v
> > wire
> >> >>>> from
> >> >>>> front to back.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dick
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >> >>>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:04 AM
> >> >>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> >> >>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Lots of new vehicles also have fuse boxes in the engine
> >> >>>>> compartment. You might find an extra accessory socket there
> >> >>>>> if you look around.
> > Also
> >> >>>>> you
> >> >>>>> could buy a fuse holder and run a wire directly from the
> >> >>>>> battery terminal with the fuse inline near the battery.  
> >> >>>>> What ever you do don't mess with a pink wire unless you want
> >> >>>>> to replace your airbags after they deploy. For safety sake,
> >> >>>>> disconnect the battery before you do any wiring.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Charlie
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- 
> >> >>>>> From: Dick Day
> >> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:21 PM
> >> >>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Dan, thanks. I was hoping that was the case. I'll grab a test
> >> >>>>> light and see. My back just does not take to that awkward
> >> >>>>> bending like it used to.
> > I
> >> >>>>> wish
> >> >>>>> they could mount those fuse/breaker boxes someplace that was
> >> >>>>> easier
> > to
> >> >>>>> get
> >> >>>>> to ;)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Dick
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >> >>>>> From: "Dan Glass" <dglass at numail.org>
> >> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:06 AM
> >> >>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> >> >>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I am not sure on this particular vehicle but on most there
> >> >>>>>> is a
> > fuse
> >> >>>>>> box
> >> >>>>>> under the dash between the steering column and the door.  It
> >> >>>>>> should even be labeled as the back up lights.  That would be
> >> >>>>>> a good place to
> > tap
> >> >>>>>> in.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 12/29/2011 10:13 PM, Dick Day wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> I am about to install a rear-view camera in our '03 Nav.  
> >> >>>>>>> The display/Monitor at the dash has a lead to connect to
> >> >>>>>>> the reverse light in the rear of the car. This is what
> >> >>>>>>> supplies power to the camera
> > when
> >> >>>>>>> it's
> >> >>>>>>> in
> >> >>>>>>> reverse.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is a place at the dash that I
> >> >>>>>>> could connect to for this?  Or do I need to run an extra
> >> >>>>>>> power cable to the rear?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> If this goes well, I'll add one to our '06 as well.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> This is such a diverse group of people, I am just curious
> >> >>>>>>> if
> > anyone
> >> >>>>>>> has
> >> >>>>>>> done
> >> >>>>>>> this before.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Dick
> >> >>>>>>>
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