[AT] OT, Reverse Camera

Dick Day ddss at telebeep.com
Sun Jan 1 08:44:15 PST 2012 

Will do.  The only major complaints are:

1. Instructions are worthless (honestly don't need them)
2. Display lens is not as reflective as some would like.

I would gladly give up the shiny center mirror for a 4x7 display vs. the 2.5 
or 3.5 inch suction cup model.

I will keep you posted.

here is a link to the unit...

http://www.pyleaudio.com/sku/PLCM7200/7-TFT-Mirror-Monitor-w-License-Plate-Mount-Rear-View-Night-Vision-Camera

It shows retail at a ridiculous price, Amazon/eBay has them for les than 
$80.



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From: "Herbert Metz" <metz-h.b at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:31 AM
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Subject: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera

>
> Happy New Year Everyone.
> Dick
> At  <$80, I may be interested in the backup camera for hooking up my 18'
> tandem axle car hauler trailer. Also, if depth of view is considerable, it
> might be good for monitoring security of some unusual load; even though I
> use the thought that my load security would pass the disgruntaled eye of
> even a law enforcement official who had an arguement with their spouse 
> just
> before leaving for work. So, would appreciate your re-posting.
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Dick Day <ddss at telebeep.com>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Date: 12/31/2011 11:29:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>
>> Charlie, both cars have the towing package, so I will start there.
>>
>> This is a different sort of setup. Rather than having a small GPS-like
>> screen that sticks to the windshield with a suction cup, the display is
>> actually embedded in a large mirror that fits snugly over the existing
>> mirror.  When the camera is not activated, the screen is "almost" as
>> reflective as a mirror. When the camera kicks in, it's a 4x7 inch
> display.
>> The actual assembly is just over 10 inches wide, just about the same as
> the
>> original mirror.
>>
>> It was priced about the same as the 3.5" suction cup display units, < 
>> $80.
>>
>> If anyone is interested, I'll re-post and let you know how it works.
>>
>> Thanks again for the advice.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:37 PM
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>
>> > Dick I realized after I wrote that you mentioned it being a Nav' in the
>> > first post.  I guess the wiring on them is similar to the Expeditions
> but
>> > I
>> > don't know a thing about them other than it should have a towing 
>> > harness
>> > connector in the back somewhere as someone else mentioned.   I know
> what
>> > you
>> > mean about getting under a dash.  My spine is still in fairly good
> shape
>> > but
>> > until they make zoom lens glasses I can't do a thing under the dash and
> if
>> > I
>> > tried I'd have to pull the front seat first.   If you can find a kid
> about
>> > 23 years old that works in a car audio place he can put it in before
> you
>> > can
>> > spell cat.
>> > The problem is finding one you trust.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> > -----Original Message----- 
>> > From: Dick Day
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 5:06 PM
>> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>> >
>> > Hey guys, I really appreciate the help!
>> >
>> > This is going in my wife's 2003 Lincoln Navigator.  Once that is done,
>> > I'll
>> > do our 2007 Navigator.
>> >
>> > Again, anything I can do to shorten my time under the dash would be
>> > appreciated.  I enjoy doing this sort of thing but arthritis in the
> spine
>> > has taken its toll :)
>> >
>> > Dick
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:02 PM
>> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>> >
>> >> Dick,  what brand, model and year car/truck are you putting it on.
> That
>> >> might help.  Someone might know the specifics.
>> >>
>> >> Charlie
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message----- 
>> >> From: Alan Nadeau
>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:59 PM
>> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>> >>
>> >> Dick,
>> >>
>> >> You're overlooking something.  The reverse lights are at the back of
> the
>> >> car
>> >> but they have to get switched somewhere that is convenient.  At one
> time
>> >> the
>> >> RL switch was on the transmission.  Now it is probably somewhere on 
>> >> the
>> >> steering column under the dash.  I your new rig, since it is most
> likely
>> >> all
>> >> electronic(no mechanical shift linkage) it could be anywhere or even a
>> >> sub-circuit off whatever triggers reverse in the transmission.  At any
>> >> rate
>> >> there is a wire in there somewhere that either feeds the RL on the
>> >> vehicle
>> >> or triggers a relay which feeds the RL.  It is also possible that the
> RL
>> >> are
>> >> switched on the ground side which would require a relay that would
> switch
>> >> the camera on when it (the relay) was grounded.  Not hard to do either
>> >> way
>> >> but the first step is to visit your dealer and ask to look over a
> wiring
>> >> schematic.  If you can get your hands on a service manual for a few
>> >> minutes
>> >> you can find out which side of the circuit is getting switched as well
> as
>> >> both the circuit number (will be imprinted on the wire every few
> inches
>> >> or
>> >> at the connections at the least), the color code of the wires involved
>> >> and
>> >> a
>> >> "component locator"  which will tell you where to look for things.  It
> is
>> >> also possible, and very easy to rig one manual switch which will allow
>> >> the
>> >> camera to be triggered manually, automatically, or left off at all
> times.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a link to a wiring diagram for the switching.
>> >> http://www.snowplowing-contractors.com/alan_reverse_lights.html
>> >>
>> >> If the system is switched on the hot side follow the left hand drawing
>> >> with
>> >> the camera wired on the wire(blue) marked "new lights".  The camera
>> >> shouldn't draw much power so that drawing should work.  If the camera
>> >> doesn't have it's own supply connection, and does draw all it's power
> off
>> >> the trigger lead it might be best to wire it using the right hand
> drawing
>> >> where the only current added to the RL circuit is the tiny amount used
> to
>> >> trigger the relay.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Dick Day" <ddss at telebeep.com>
>> >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:06 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> That's what I may end up doing.   The reverse lights wire will 
>> >>> provide
>> >>> the
>> >>> easiest place to find what I need, but they are at the back of the 
>> >>> car
>> >>> and
>> >>> the connection that ties to it is from the display which is at the
> dash.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's a shame cars don't have a punch-down block (used in 
>> >>> phone/network
>> >>> wiring).  It appears that everything is done with individual
> harnesses.
>> >>>
>> >>> Looks like I will run another line next to the shielded video cable
> from
>> >>> the
>> >>> back of the car to the front.  I'll make sure it's got an in-line 
>> >>> fuse
>> >>> that's easy to get to.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for all of the help.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dick
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:52 AM
>> >>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> >>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>> >>>
>> >>>> Ok I understand now.   How much power does the camera draw?  You may
>> >>>> well
>> >>>> be
>> >>>> able to simply tap the hot wire to one of the back up lights.   I
> think
>> >>>> if
>> >>>> it was me that's what I'd try.  The worst that can happen is a blown
>> >>>> fuse.
>> >>>> You could tap both back up light circuits, run the wires to a 
>> >>>> central
>> >>>> point
>> >>>> and tie them together.  That would split the load between the two.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message----- 
>> >>>> From: Dick Day
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:23 AM
>> >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks. What I actually need is a lead that only becomes energized
> when
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> car is put into reverse.  The reverse fuse circuit is bundled with
>> >>>> several
>> >>>> other circuits, so unless I can find a lead somewhere under the dash
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> handles just the reverse lights, I'm pretty sure I'll end up running
> an
>> >>>> extra line. Not a big deal, was just hoping to avoid running a 12v
> wire
>> >>>> from
>> >>>> front to back.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dick
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:04 AM
>> >>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> >>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Lots of new vehicles also have fuse boxes in the engine 
>> >>>>> compartment.
>> >>>>> You
>> >>>>> might find an extra accessory socket there if you look around.
> Also
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> could buy a fuse holder and run a wire directly from the battery
>> >>>>> terminal
>> >>>>> with the fuse inline near the battery.   What ever you do don't 
>> >>>>> mess
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> pink wire unless you want to replace your airbags after they 
>> >>>>> deploy.
>> >>>>> For
>> >>>>> safety sake, disconnect the battery before you do any wiring.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Charlie
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>> >>>>> From: Dick Day
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:21 PM
>> >>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dan, thanks. I was hoping that was the case. I'll grab a test light
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> see.
>> >>>>> My back just does not take to that awkward bending like it used to.
> I
>> >>>>> wish
>> >>>>> they could mount those fuse/breaker boxes someplace that was easier
> to
>> >>>>> get
>> >>>>> to ;)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dick
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> From: "Dan Glass" <dglass at numail.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:06 AM
>> >>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> >>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I am not sure on this particular vehicle but on most there is a
> fuse
>> >>>>>> box
>> >>>>>> under the dash between the steering column and the door.  It 
>> >>>>>> should
>> >>>>>> even
>> >>>>>> be labeled as the back up lights.  That would be a good place to
> tap
>> >>>>>> in.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 12/29/2011 10:13 PM, Dick Day wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I am about to install a rear-view camera in our '03 Nav.   The
>> >>>>>>> display/Monitor at the dash has a lead to connect to the reverse
>> >>>>>>> light
>> >>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>> the rear of the car. This is what supplies power to the camera
> when
>> >>>>>>> it's
>> >>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>> reverse.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is a place at the dash that I could
>> >>>>>>> connect
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>> this?  Or do I need to run an extra power cable to the rear?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If this goes well, I'll add one to our '06 as well.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> This is such a diverse group of people, I am just curious if
> anyone
>> >>>>>>> has
>> >>>>>>> done
>> >>>>>>> this before.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thanks
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Dick
>> >>>>>>>
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