[AT] OT, Reverse Camera

Dick Day ddss at telebeep.com
Thu Jan 12 20:55:10 PST 2012 

Herb... I promised I would update you.

The model I first installed incorporated the display into a snap-on 
replacement mirror.  Great idea, but flawed technology.  Too much sun and 
the display is totally washed out. When not using it as a display, the 
"mirror" is tinted so dark, you really cannot call it a true mirror.

I do like the idea though.  I sent back the mirror model and got a simple 
3.5" display (looks just like a GPS) and will mount that down in the 
instrument cluster. On the Navigators, the tach is on the left side and is 
plenty wide enough to mount the display there.  They also make windshield 
mount displays as large as 10" wide.

Once I get hers done I'll wire mine.  The hardest part, at least in the 
nav's, is getting the cabling run from the license plate in the back to the 
dash up front.  As tempting as the wireless kits sound, most every review I 
read says they are problematic and subject to interference.

So, I love the idea, I just did not like the display I picked.

hth

Dick


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From: "Dick Day" <ddss at telebeep.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 10:44 AM
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera

> Will do.  The only major complaints are:
>
> 1. Instructions are worthless (honestly don't need them)
> 2. Display lens is not as reflective as some would like.
>
> I would gladly give up the shiny center mirror for a 4x7 display vs. the 
> 2.5
> or 3.5 inch suction cup model.
>
> I will keep you posted.
>
> here is a link to the unit...
>
> http://www.pyleaudio.com/sku/PLCM7200/7-TFT-Mirror-Monitor-w-License-Plate-Mount-Rear-View-Night-Vision-Camera
>
> It shows retail at a ridiculous price, Amazon/eBay has them for les than
> $80.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Herbert Metz" <metz-h.b at comcast.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:31 AM
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>
>>
>> Happy New Year Everyone.
>> Dick
>> At  <$80, I may be interested in the backup camera for hooking up my 18'
>> tandem axle car hauler trailer. Also, if depth of view is considerable, 
>> it
>> might be good for monitoring security of some unusual load; even though I
>> use the thought that my load security would pass the disgruntaled eye of
>> even a law enforcement official who had an arguement with their spouse
>> just
>> before leaving for work. So, would appreciate your re-posting.
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Dick Day <ddss at telebeep.com>
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group 
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Date: 12/31/2011 11:29:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>>
>>> Charlie, both cars have the towing package, so I will start there.
>>>
>>> This is a different sort of setup. Rather than having a small GPS-like
>>> screen that sticks to the windshield with a suction cup, the display is
>>> actually embedded in a large mirror that fits snugly over the existing
>>> mirror.  When the camera is not activated, the screen is "almost" as
>>> reflective as a mirror. When the camera kicks in, it's a 4x7 inch
>> display.
>>> The actual assembly is just over 10 inches wide, just about the same as
>> the
>>> original mirror.
>>>
>>> It was priced about the same as the 3.5" suction cup display units, <
>>> $80.
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested, I'll re-post and let you know how it works.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the advice.
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:37 PM
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>>
>>> > Dick I realized after I wrote that you mentioned it being a Nav' in 
>>> > the
>>> > first post.  I guess the wiring on them is similar to the Expeditions
>> but
>>> > I
>>> > don't know a thing about them other than it should have a towing
>>> > harness
>>> > connector in the back somewhere as someone else mentioned.   I know
>> what
>>> > you
>>> > mean about getting under a dash.  My spine is still in fairly good
>> shape
>>> > but
>>> > until they make zoom lens glasses I can't do a thing under the dash 
>>> > and
>> if
>>> > I
>>> > tried I'd have to pull the front seat first.   If you can find a kid
>> about
>>> > 23 years old that works in a car audio place he can put it in before
>> you
>>> > can
>>> > spell cat.
>>> > The problem is finding one you trust.
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message----- 
>>> > From: Dick Day
>>> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 5:06 PM
>>> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>> >
>>> > Hey guys, I really appreciate the help!
>>> >
>>> > This is going in my wife's 2003 Lincoln Navigator.  Once that is done,
>>> > I'll
>>> > do our 2007 Navigator.
>>> >
>>> > Again, anything I can do to shorten my time under the dash would be
>>> > appreciated.  I enjoy doing this sort of thing but arthritis in the
>> spine
>>> > has taken its toll :)
>>> >
>>> > Dick
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>> > From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:02 PM
>>> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>> >
>>> >> Dick,  what brand, model and year car/truck are you putting it on.
>> That
>>> >> might help.  Someone might know the specifics.
>>> >>
>>> >> Charlie
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message----- 
>>> >> From: Alan Nadeau
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:59 PM
>>> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>> >>
>>> >> Dick,
>>> >>
>>> >> You're overlooking something.  The reverse lights are at the back of
>> the
>>> >> car
>>> >> but they have to get switched somewhere that is convenient.  At one
>> time
>>> >> the
>>> >> RL switch was on the transmission.  Now it is probably somewhere on
>>> >> the
>>> >> steering column under the dash.  I your new rig, since it is most
>> likely
>>> >> all
>>> >> electronic(no mechanical shift linkage) it could be anywhere or even 
>>> >> a
>>> >> sub-circuit off whatever triggers reverse in the transmission.  At 
>>> >> any
>>> >> rate
>>> >> there is a wire in there somewhere that either feeds the RL on the
>>> >> vehicle
>>> >> or triggers a relay which feeds the RL.  It is also possible that the
>> RL
>>> >> are
>>> >> switched on the ground side which would require a relay that would
>> switch
>>> >> the camera on when it (the relay) was grounded.  Not hard to do 
>>> >> either
>>> >> way
>>> >> but the first step is to visit your dealer and ask to look over a
>> wiring
>>> >> schematic.  If you can get your hands on a service manual for a few
>>> >> minutes
>>> >> you can find out which side of the circuit is getting switched as 
>>> >> well
>> as
>>> >> both the circuit number (will be imprinted on the wire every few
>> inches
>>> >> or
>>> >> at the connections at the least), the color code of the wires 
>>> >> involved
>>> >> and
>>> >> a
>>> >> "component locator"  which will tell you where to look for things. 
>>> >> It
>> is
>>> >> also possible, and very easy to rig one manual switch which will 
>>> >> allow
>>> >> the
>>> >> camera to be triggered manually, automatically, or left off at all
>> times.
>>> >>
>>> >> Here's a link to a wiring diagram for the switching.
>>> >> http://www.snowplowing-contractors.com/alan_reverse_lights.html
>>> >>
>>> >> If the system is switched on the hot side follow the left hand 
>>> >> drawing
>>> >> with
>>> >> the camera wired on the wire(blue) marked "new lights".  The camera
>>> >> shouldn't draw much power so that drawing should work.  If the camera
>>> >> doesn't have it's own supply connection, and does draw all it's power
>> off
>>> >> the trigger lead it might be best to wire it using the right hand
>> drawing
>>> >> where the only current added to the RL circuit is the tiny amount 
>>> >> used
>> to
>>> >> trigger the relay.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> From: "Dick Day" <ddss at telebeep.com>
>>> >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:06 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> That's what I may end up doing.   The reverse lights wire will
>>> >>> provide
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> easiest place to find what I need, but they are at the back of the
>>> >>> car
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> the connection that ties to it is from the display which is at the
>> dash.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It's a shame cars don't have a punch-down block (used in
>>> >>> phone/network
>>> >>> wiring).  It appears that everything is done with individual
>> harnesses.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Looks like I will run another line next to the shielded video cable
>> from
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> back of the car to the front.  I'll make sure it's got an in-line
>>> >>> fuse
>>> >>> that's easy to get to.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks for all of the help.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dick
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:52 AM
>>> >>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> >>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Ok I understand now.   How much power does the camera draw?  You 
>>> >>>> may
>>> >>>> well
>>> >>>> be
>>> >>>> able to simply tap the hot wire to one of the back up lights.   I
>> think
>>> >>>> if
>>> >>>> it was me that's what I'd try.  The worst that can happen is a 
>>> >>>> blown
>>> >>>> fuse.
>>> >>>> You could tap both back up light circuits, run the wires to a
>>> >>>> central
>>> >>>> point
>>> >>>> and tie them together.  That would split the load between the two.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> >>>> From: Dick Day
>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:23 AM
>>> >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks. What I actually need is a lead that only becomes energized
>> when
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> car is put into reverse.  The reverse fuse circuit is bundled with
>>> >>>> several
>>> >>>> other circuits, so unless I can find a lead somewhere under the 
>>> >>>> dash
>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>> handles just the reverse lights, I'm pretty sure I'll end up 
>>> >>>> running
>> an
>>> >>>> extra line. Not a big deal, was just hoping to avoid running a 12v
>> wire
>>> >>>> from
>>> >>>> front to back.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Dick
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:04 AM
>>> >>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> >>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Lots of new vehicles also have fuse boxes in the engine
>>> >>>>> compartment.
>>> >>>>> You
>>> >>>>> might find an extra accessory socket there if you look around.
>> Also
>>> >>>>> you
>>> >>>>> could buy a fuse holder and run a wire directly from the battery
>>> >>>>> terminal
>>> >>>>> with the fuse inline near the battery.   What ever you do don't
>>> >>>>> mess
>>> >>>>> with
>>> >>>>> a
>>> >>>>> pink wire unless you want to replace your airbags after they
>>> >>>>> deploy.
>>> >>>>> For
>>> >>>>> safety sake, disconnect the battery before you do any wiring.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Charlie
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> >>>>> From: Dick Day
>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:21 PM
>>> >>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dan, thanks. I was hoping that was the case. I'll grab a test 
>>> >>>>> light
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>> see.
>>> >>>>> My back just does not take to that awkward bending like it used 
>>> >>>>> to.
>> I
>>> >>>>> wish
>>> >>>>> they could mount those fuse/breaker boxes someplace that was 
>>> >>>>> easier
>> to
>>> >>>>> get
>>> >>>>> to ;)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dick
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>>> From: "Dan Glass" <dglass at numail.org>
>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:06 AM
>>> >>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> >>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I am not sure on this particular vehicle but on most there is a
>> fuse
>>> >>>>>> box
>>> >>>>>> under the dash between the steering column and the door.  It
>>> >>>>>> should
>>> >>>>>> even
>>> >>>>>> be labeled as the back up lights.  That would be a good place to
>> tap
>>> >>>>>> in.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 12/29/2011 10:13 PM, Dick Day wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> I am about to install a rear-view camera in our '03 Nav.   The
>>> >>>>>>> display/Monitor at the dash has a lead to connect to the reverse
>>> >>>>>>> light
>>> >>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>> the rear of the car. This is what supplies power to the camera
>> when
>>> >>>>>>> it's
>>> >>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>> reverse.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is a place at the dash that I could
>>> >>>>>>> connect
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>> this?  Or do I need to run an extra power cable to the rear?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> If this goes well, I'll add one to our '06 as well.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> This is such a diverse group of people, I am just curious if
>> anyone
>>> >>>>>>> has
>>> >>>>>>> done
>>> >>>>>>> this before.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Thanks
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Dick
>>> >>>>>>>
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