[AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap

[Al Jones]

Might not be such a good find if you saw it!

Al


-----Original Message-----
>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: May 28, 2011 4:40 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: Re: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>
>Good find.  That's not too far at all.  Well it's not close but not far 
>enough to seem like a journey.
>
>Charlie
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Al Jones
>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 4:22 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>
>Randolph, Va. About 2 hrs the other side of Raleigh, past Oxford.
>
>I was there a few Saturdays before, when the bad tornados came through, at a 
>Cubfest the owner hosted.  He went to an auction a couple weeks ago and it 
>"followed him home."  His main interest is Cubs so I took it off his hands!
>
>Al
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: May 28, 2011 1:04 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>>
>>Did you find it local or did it require a long ride home?
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Al Jones
>>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:23 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>>
>>Charlie,
>>
>>I feel lucky to find it.  It ain't pretty but it has potential.  The Super
>>A's are the rare-est of the white demo's.
>>
>>Al
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>Sent: May 28, 2011 11:09 AM
>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>>>
>>>Al,  I can't answer your questions but congrats on finding the Super A
>>>white
>>>demo.  Not many of those around!
>>>
>>>Charlie
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- 
>>>From: Al Jones
>>>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:04 AM
>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group ;
>>>farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>Subject: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>>>
>>>
>>>So I just got this 1950 Super A white demo. And I also have a late '39
>>>Farmall A (some books call it an early '40) that I have been working on.
>>>The
>>>crankshaft, sleeves, and pistons have been installed, the rods just have 
>>>to
>>>be bolted to the crankshaft. Main bearings have been torqued to spec.
>>>
>>>I never had intentions of keeping this A once it was done. Figured I would
>>>sell it. Also figured since it was just a straight A, no hydraulics, no
>>>nothin, I probably wouldn't make back what I have spent on it. It has no
>>>hole in the bell housing for the starter, but the bad thing is it
>>>apparently
>>>got a "service engine" from IH at some point--block is a '42 by the 
>>>casting
>>>code and there is no serial number on it. Either way, the engine is not
>>>"original."
>>>
>>>So I have started thinking, the white demo is a "bucket list" tractor for
>>>me. And, I'm on a serious budget these days. So why couldn't I take the
>>>overhaul kit I have for the A, and use it for the Super A? Only sticking
>>>point is the crankshaft has a totally different part number according to
>>>the
>>>caseIH website. I haven't had time to check my first edition Super A parts
>>>book against that to see if the early Super A's might be the same. But 
>>>what
>>>in the world would be different between the crankshafts between these two
>>>tractors? Regardless, I am thinking I can use everything in the overhaul
>>>kit--provided the crankshaft journals are turned to the same measurement 
>>>as
>>>in the A. The kit came from the local parts store, it's a Tisco kit but
>>>according to their website it works for all the A/B/C series tractors. 
>>>Only
>>>thing I would need is new o-rings for the sleeves, and transfer the 
>>>pistons
>>>over to the Super A rods.
>>>
>>>If I did this, I see myself parting the A. It has a nice .20" ground 
>>>crank,
>>>(assuming it won't work in the Super A)overhauled cylinder head, and 
>>>fairly
>>>nice sheet metal. The block has been through the machine shop--cleaned and
>>>fluxed--so it would be nice. The grille is not correct for the early dzus
>>>fasteners, so I would probably keep that for my Super A. I have always
>>>heard
>>>that "the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole," and I feel like
>>>early A parts would be worth a little more, but who knows?
>>>
>>>Am I missing something? Doing a overhaul kit swap seems way too simple. I
>>>hope I'm not talking out of turn.....I am hoping maybe to get her running
>>>this weekend, and maybe the engine will be in real good shape and won't
>>>need
>>>overhauling more than maybe rings.  Usually that's not how my luck runs
>>>though!
>>>
>>>thanks,
>>>Al
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