[AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap

[charlie hill]

Good find.  That's not too far at all.  Well it's not close but not far 
enough to seem like a journey.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Al Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 4:22 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap

Randolph, Va. About 2 hrs the other side of Raleigh, past Oxford.

I was there a few Saturdays before, when the bad tornados came through, at a 
Cubfest the owner hosted.  He went to an auction a couple weeks ago and it 
"followed him home."  His main interest is Cubs so I took it off his hands!

Al


-----Original Message-----
>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: May 28, 2011 1:04 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: Re: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>
>Did you find it local or did it require a long ride home?
>
>Charlie
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Al Jones
>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:23 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>
>Charlie,
>
>I feel lucky to find it.  It ain't pretty but it has potential.  The Super
>A's are the rare-est of the white demo's.
>
>Al
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: May 28, 2011 11:09 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>>
>>Al,  I can't answer your questions but congrats on finding the Super A
>>white
>>demo.  Not many of those around!
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Al Jones
>>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:04 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group ;
>>farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>Subject: [AT] A vs. Super A engine internals To swap or not to swap
>>
>>
>>So I just got this 1950 Super A white demo. And I also have a late '39
>>Farmall A (some books call it an early '40) that I have been working on.
>>The
>>crankshaft, sleeves, and pistons have been installed, the rods just have 
>>to
>>be bolted to the crankshaft. Main bearings have been torqued to spec.
>>
>>I never had intentions of keeping this A once it was done. Figured I would
>>sell it. Also figured since it was just a straight A, no hydraulics, no
>>nothin, I probably wouldn't make back what I have spent on it. It has no
>>hole in the bell housing for the starter, but the bad thing is it
>>apparently
>>got a "service engine" from IH at some point--block is a '42 by the 
>>casting
>>code and there is no serial number on it. Either way, the engine is not
>>"original."
>>
>>So I have started thinking, the white demo is a "bucket list" tractor for
>>me. And, I'm on a serious budget these days. So why couldn't I take the
>>overhaul kit I have for the A, and use it for the Super A? Only sticking
>>point is the crankshaft has a totally different part number according to
>>the
>>caseIH website. I haven't had time to check my first edition Super A parts
>>book against that to see if the early Super A's might be the same. But 
>>what
>>in the world would be different between the crankshafts between these two
>>tractors? Regardless, I am thinking I can use everything in the overhaul
>>kit--provided the crankshaft journals are turned to the same measurement 
>>as
>>in the A. The kit came from the local parts store, it's a Tisco kit but
>>according to their website it works for all the A/B/C series tractors. 
>>Only
>>thing I would need is new o-rings for the sleeves, and transfer the 
>>pistons
>>over to the Super A rods.
>>
>>If I did this, I see myself parting the A. It has a nice .20" ground 
>>crank,
>>(assuming it won't work in the Super A)overhauled cylinder head, and 
>>fairly
>>nice sheet metal. The block has been through the machine shop--cleaned and
>>fluxed--so it would be nice. The grille is not correct for the early dzus
>>fasteners, so I would probably keep that for my Super A. I have always
>>heard
>>that "the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole," and I feel like
>>early A parts would be worth a little more, but who knows?
>>
>>Am I missing something? Doing a overhaul kit swap seems way too simple. I
>>hope I'm not talking out of turn.....I am hoping maybe to get her running
>>this weekend, and maybe the engine will be in real good shape and won't
>>need
>>overhauling more than maybe rings.  Usually that's not how my luck runs
>>though!
>>
>>thanks,
>>Al
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