[AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes

[Terry Welch]

Our Methodist Church has just finished a remodel of the original 1860s 
structure. The conference came in and had studies done to see if it could be 
done as far making it up to date. Many people in the Church wanted to move 
outside of town and build a new church. When it first was proposed we had a 
Pastor that told us the Church needs to be in a spot that does most good for the 
community. It was finally decided  to spend $350,000 on a new entrance and not a 
$1.5 million and still not have a sanctuary for a few years until another $1 
million could be raised. We also had a Pastor that wanted to build a mega church 
as that is what you need to do to bring  the people. She found out that would 
not work in our area. So she left for greener fields.  

Terry





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Larry,

We have run into the same things.  We have made great strides as some have 
recognized that they are not the future of the church, and those that haven't, 
have been called home.  Either way, our church has been moving forward.  
Whenever I run into the "old guard' I respectfully ask if they would rather have 
the church die with them, or live on for their grandchildren.  If they don't 
want to change, I remind them that their parents thought the same thing, but we 
don't have services in German anymore.

Enjoy, Joe






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From: Larry Goss <rlgoss at insightbb.com>
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Sent: Sun, Mar 6, 2011 3:35 pm
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Chuck -- David---  When you find the formula for convincing the membership of 
our congregations to give up any of their traditions, please let me know.  
e're going to bottle it and become filthy rich!  :-)
When I discussed this with a stalwart member of a regional church committee a 
ouple of weeks ago, I finally said that if he wanted to understand what's at 
take, he needs to sit down and ask himself the question, "How bad does it have 
o be -- What conditions need to exist --  before I, personally, will give up my 
urrent church affiliation?"  When you come to grips with that question, then 
ou will understand why infrastructure is such a crisis situation.  He's a 
ember of a church that is currently spending millions (literally) to remodel 
he structure and install a big pipe organ.  Their current organist is in his 
id-70's.  The pool of available younger organists is non-existent. and music 
chools are closing down their programs by attrition -- qualified people to 
rain the next generation are not available to replace faculty when they retire.
I am reminded of the conditions that were in the electronics industry back in 
he early 60's.  I became a good friend of the man who was doing the man-power 
tudies for our plant.  We just happened to compare notes on what we knew.  I 
new that "engineering" wasn't writing any proposals for new contracts.  He knew 
hat our current contracts were all scheduled to reach fulfillment at about the 
ame time.  So we both pulled up stakes left the region, and went on to greener 
astures even though our current job status was good.
Gotta quit.  I've gone on too long already.
Larry



---- Original Message -----
rom: David Bruce <davidbruce at yadtel.net>
ate: Sunday, March 6, 2011 5:40
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> Here as well we are facing the need of updating/enlarging church 
facilities.  The original building is from the late 1800's 
remodeled in 
ca 1930 the 1960's and the 1980's so there are numerous 
compliance 
issues never mind the desire to expand then facilities and being 
essentially land locked.

I am currently serving on a "building study committee" that is 
investigating possible routes to get through this 
situation.  In 
addition since it is a Methodist church all formal plans must 
also be 
run up the flagpole.  Electrical is but one of many issues 
we face.

Gonna be an interesting road.

David
NW NC

On 3/6/2011 2:23 AM, Chuck Bealke wrote:
> Ralph and Larry,
>
> Code changes over time that render church structures non-code 
compliant> and thus pose financial threats is one pregnant 
topic.  I have been on
> the finance - sorry, Larry - committee of our church for seven 
years.> It has been an education on building inspectors finding 
fault with what
> was in the mid 50s - when the church was built well and met 
all the
> applicable city and other codes - a splendid, high quality 
building.  As
> you likely know, churches are by and large threatened by diminishing
> membership and finances in this age.  Many in our area 
have closed or
> are in the process.  Elevators, wiring, and fire 
protection equipment
> come to mind as items subject to new requirements which can threaten
> church financial solvency pronto.  In our case, we have a 
school on
> property (Grades 1-5) and some florescent tubes 
overhead.  Hope the
> changes to lighting requirements like those mentioned in your shop
> discussions will not represent too bad a cost for us.  
Will check it
> out.   Thanks for the heads-up guys.
>
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