[AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes

[Larry Goss]

 "but we don't have services in German anymore."

That is a comment I've got to keep in mind.  We, too, have lost that generation, but that's the mind-set we're dealing with.

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: jahaze at aol.com
Date: Monday, March 7, 2011 9:30
Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com

> 
> Larry,
> 
> We have run into the same things.  We have made great 
> strides as some have recognized that they are not the future of 
> the church, and those that haven't, have been called home.  
> Either way, our church has been moving forward.  Whenever I 
> run into the "old guard' I respectfully ask if they would rather 
> have the church die with them, or live on for their 
> grandchildren.  If they don't want to change, I remind them 
> that their parents thought the same thing, but we don't have 
> services in German anymore.
> 
> Enjoy, Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Goss <rlgoss at insightbb.com>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-
> tractor.com>Sent: Sun, Mar 6, 2011 3:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code 
> Changes
> 
> Chuck -- David---  When you find the formula for convincing 
> the membership of 
> our congregations to give up any of their traditions, please let 
> me know.  
> e're going to bottle it and become filthy rich!  :-)
> When I discussed this with a stalwart member of a regional 
> church committee a 
> ouple of weeks ago, I finally said that if he wanted to 
> understand what's at 
> take, he needs to sit down and ask himself the question, "How 
> bad does it have 
> o be -- What conditions need to exist --  before I, 
> personally, will give up my 
> urrent church affiliation?"  When you come to grips with 
> that question, then 
> ou will understand why infrastructure is such a crisis 
> situation.  He's a 
> ember of a church that is currently spending millions 
> (literally) to remodel 
> he structure and install a big pipe organ.  Their current 
> organist is in his 
> id-70's.  The pool of available younger organists is non-
> existent. and music 
> chools are closing down their programs by attrition -- qualified 
> people to 
> rain the next generation are not available to replace faculty 
> when they retire.
> I am reminded of the conditions that were in the electronics 
> industry back in 
> he early 60's.  I became a good friend of the man who was 
> doing the man-power 
> tudies for our plant.  We just happened to compare notes on 
> what we knew.  I 
> new that "engineering" wasn't writing any proposals for new 
> contracts.  He knew 
> hat our current contracts were all scheduled to reach 
> fulfillment at about the 
> ame time.  So we both pulled up stakes left the region, and 
> went on to greener 
> astures even though our current job status was good.
> Gotta quit.  I've gone on too long already.
> Larry
> 
> 
> 
> ---- Original Message -----
> rom: David Bruce <davidbruce at yadtel.net>
> ate: Sunday, March 6, 2011 5:40
> ubject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code 
> Changeso: Antique tractor email discussion group 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Here as well we are facing the need of updating/enlarging 
> church 
>  facilities.  The original building is from the late 
> 1800's 
>  remodeled in 
>  ca 1930 the 1960's and the 1980's so there are numerous 
>  compliance 
>  issues never mind the desire to expand then facilities and 
> being 
>  essentially land locked.
>  
>  I am currently serving on a "building study committee" 
> that is 
>  investigating possible routes to get through this 
>  situation.  In 
>  addition since it is a Methodist church all formal plans 
> must 
>  also be 
>  run up the flagpole.  Electrical is but one of many 
> issues 
>  we face.
>  
>  Gonna be an interesting road.
>  
>  David
>  NW NC
>  
>  On 3/6/2011 2:23 AM, Chuck Bealke wrote:
>  > Ralph and Larry,
>  >
>  > Code changes over time that render church structures non-
> code 
>  compliant> and thus pose financial threats is one pregnant 
>  topic.  I have been on
>  > the finance - sorry, Larry - committee of our church for 
> seven 
>  years.> It has been an education on building inspectors 
> finding 
>  fault with what
>  > was in the mid 50s - when the church was built well and 
> met 
>  all the
>  > applicable city and other codes - a splendid, high 
> quality 
>  building.  As
>  > you likely know, churches are by and large threatened by 
> diminishing > membership and finances in this age.  
> Many in our area 
>  have closed or
>  > are in the process.  Elevators, wiring, and fire 
>  protection equipment
>  > come to mind as items subject to new requirements which 
> can threaten
>  > church financial solvency pronto.  In our case, we 
> have a 
>  school on
>  > property (Grades 1-5) and some florescent tubes 
>  overhead.  Hope the
>  > changes to lighting requirements like those mentioned in 
> your shop
>  > discussions will not represent too bad a cost for 
> us.  
>  Will check it
>  > out.   Thanks for the heads-up guys.
>  >
>  >
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