[AT] HIGH IDLE now runaway cars

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Mon Feb 1 08:26:10 PST 2010


The GM problem was with cruise control equipped cars in front end 
collisions.  The rod from the actuator would get pushed into the carb 
when the hood bent and open the throttle wide.  My mother had this 
happen when she did not see my dad stop the grain truck when she was 
following him moving between farms.  She was so scared the wheels were 
spinning when Dad walked back to the truck and turned the car engine off.

Cecil in OKla

charliehill wrote:
> Larry,  IF the problem even exists I doubt it is the accelerator pedal or 
> the floor mat.  I'm betting it's a throttle position sensor error.  I'm 
> saying that based on the death of a veteran police officer and 3 other 
> family members in his car when he couldn't get his Lexus to stop and went 
> off into a California revene at 120 mph.  I can imagine some folks going 
> into a panic, locking their hands on the wheel and their foot on the brake 
> and hoping for the best but I CAN NOT imagine a trained veteran police 
> officer that would not think to kick the thing in neutral and turn off the 
> ignition.  It just doesn't make sense.
> 
> You know a few years back GM had the same problem with some cars. I don't 
> know how they resolved it.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Goss" <rlgoss at insightbb.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] HIGH IDLE
> 
> 
>> Herb, we love ya' man!
>>
>> I never bothered learning about it until I was doing warrantee work for a 
>> dealership.  Things get a little picky when "fulfulment" comes into play, 
>> so I had to review my shop techniques to make sure I wasn't doing 
>> something that the company didn't have in their "play book".  Having 
>> compensation withheld by the manufacturer on warrantee work because of 
>> minor procedural errors is NOT a pleasant experience.  Some manufacturers 
>> treat the whole process with a "sudden death" attitude so that if there 
>> are any errors -- literally, ANY errors -- then the opportunity for 
>> repayment to the dealership for the warrantee work is lost.  Making money 
>> on warrantee work is nearly impossible under the best of conditions, but 
>> the dealership certainly can't withstand loosing money on it.  Hopefully, 
>> the shop breaks even.
>>
>> The big news item today of course is the Toyota accelerators.  It will be 
>> interesting to see what the final outcome of that happens to be.
>>
>> :Larry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Herbert Metz <metz-h.b at mindspring.com>
>> Date: Monday, February 1, 2010 9:23
>> Subject: [AT] HIGH IDLE
>> To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>
>>> Well, don't know how corn picking and storage evolved into high
>>> idle, but it did.
>>> Ralph and Gene; it is good to know that my thoughts are shared.
>>> When I was typing that email that started this lengthy, but
>>> somewhat informative thread, I knew better than to use that
>>> term, but did not want to take the few moments extra to type
>>> "just a bit faster than idle".
>>>
>>> Page 3 (specifications)  of the 48 page operating
>>> instructions for Allis Chalmers G tractors lists:
>>> RPM (full load)    1800 RPM
>>> RPM (high idle)   2100 RPM
>>>
>>> Conclusion:  So a "high idle" is a bit faster than
>>> "idle"          o-
>>> o-o-or   "full load";
>>> Wait a minute, how can "some idle condition"  be faster
>>> than  "a full throttle full load condition"?
>>>
>>> <grins>
>>> Herb
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