[AT] OT Gasifiers

Wed Oct 14 10:42:42 PDT 2009

Thanks Herb,  I knew I had seen that but didn't remember exactly where and 
couldn't remember the name of "Farm Show".  I let my subscription expire 
too, for similar reasons.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herbert Metz" <metz-h.b at mindspring.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] OT Gasifiers

> Cecil
> Farm Show newspaper/magazine published quarterly or bi-monthly frequently
> has pictorial articles about large outdoor bale burner heaters (air or
> water) submitted by the inventor  .Many good ideas, especially from big
> farmers up Ralphs way and further west.   Several years ago there were
> several people here who subscribed to this publication.   I reluctantly
> cancelled out years ago when my GE stock dived (and never has recovered).
> Published in MN?
> Herb
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: charliehill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Date: 10/14/2009 12:10:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Gasifiers
>>
>> Cecil I saw just such a rig on a youtube video.  It was somewhere in
> Europe
>> and in a foreign language.  The rig looked much like the round bale
> burners
>> you might have  seen in some of the farm publications.  Except instead of
>> actively burning the bale it "cooked" it so to speak and burner the gas.
>> The by product of gasification is something called bio-char that is
>> supposedly an excellent soil ammendment.  The tars in the gas are removed
> by
>> filtering them through more biomass (wood chips, straw, pine cones, etc)
>> which can in turn be used as fuel in the gasifier once it is spent as
> filter
>> media.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Gasifiers
>>
>>
>> >I was thinking about using this type of technology to burn round bales
>> > for heating an outside boiler for my home and shop.  I have about 100
>> > bales of hay that is sold at the cost of baling every year.  It would 
>> > be
>> > nice not to run that heat pump in the winter...
>> >
>> > Cecil inOKla
>> >
>> > charliehill wrote:
>> >> Steve, that is why I am studying it now.  To see if it's feasible to
> do
>> >> and
>> >> if so to start making plans for it before I need it.  I shared this
> with
>> >> the
>> >> list for two reasons; to see if anyone here had any knowledge or 
>> >> direct
>> >> experience with gasification and to share it with my friends so you 
>> >> all
>> >> could consider it if you like.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not proposing running engines with it necessarily.  There are
> other
>> >> uses
>> >> such as firing a boiler to turn a steam turbine, etc.  There is a huge
>> >> wood
>> >> engergy plant in my county that does exactly that.   They "burn" waste
>> >> wood
>> >> to produce steam for our industrial park and they are very successful
> and
>> >> efficient at it.  I don't know their exact process but I'm pretty sure
> it
>> >> is
>> >> not just a "burn".  I have all ideas that they are essentially a
>> >> gasification plant because they have very little stack emissions and
>> >> their
>> >> by product is something that looks very much like bio char and it is
>> >> being
>> >> spread on farm land in the area.
>> >>
>> >> Sometimes I wonder why I bother.  I tried to share this stuff with you
>> >> with
>> >> good intent and all it get back is na-saying and arguement.  If you
> don't
>> >> like the idea just forget about it and move on.  I know a man that
> used
>> >> to
>> >> make a 6 figure salary selling Encylopedia Britanica.  In the early
> 80's
>> >> some of us tried to tell him what was about to happen to his industry.
>> >> He
>> >> refuesed to listen.  About 10 years later they put him out to pasture
> and
>> >> without about 90% of the pension he had earned.  Things are changing
>> >> rapidly
>> >> in this country.  If you don't keep your ear to the ground and look 
>> >> for
>> >> alternatives you might get left behind.
>> >>
>> >> Charlie
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Stephen Offiler" <soffiler at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:36 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Gasifiers
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:28 AM, charliehill
> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> The only way I would want use a gasifier to run a car or tractor
> would
>> >>> be
>> >>> the same as it was used in the war, in an emergency. My thoughts on
>> >>> using
>> >>> gasifiers are just as you mention Mattias, to use some waste biomass
> to
>> >>> run
>> >>> a generator or to more efficiently produce heat.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Only problem there, Charlie, is that emergencies always happen
>> >> suddenly, by definition.  And you can't just "suddenly" develop your
>> >> own wood gas rig.  Even the crappy ones that barely function take a
>> >> whole lot of home-shop fiddling to get there.
>> >>
>> >> Everything I've always heard about wood gas was quite negative and
>> >> that's pure engineering, not counting at all the emotional connections
>> >> to WWII.  It's quite messy, the engine runs terribly if at all, and
>> >> the gases are extremely corrosive.
>> >>
>> >> SO
>> >>
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