[AT] OT Gasifiers

[Herbert Metz]

Cecil
Farm Show newspaper/magazine published quarterly or bi-monthly frequently
has pictorial articles about large outdoor bale burner heaters (air or
water) submitted by the inventor  .Many good ideas, especially from big
farmers up Ralphs way and further west.   Several years ago there were
several people here who subscribed to this publication.   I reluctantly
cancelled out years ago when my GE stock dived (and never has recovered).  
Published in MN?
Herb


> [Original Message]
> From: charliehill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Date: 10/14/2009 12:10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Gasifiers
>
> Cecil I saw just such a rig on a youtube video.  It was somewhere in
Europe 
> and in a foreign language.  The rig looked much like the round bale
burners 
> you might have  seen in some of the farm publications.  Except instead of 
> actively burning the bale it "cooked" it so to speak and burner the gas. 
> The by product of gasification is something called bio-char that is 
> supposedly an excellent soil ammendment.  The tars in the gas are removed
by 
> filtering them through more biomass (wood chips, straw, pine cones, etc) 
> which can in turn be used as fuel in the gasifier once it is spent as
filter 
> media.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Gasifiers
>
>
> >I was thinking about using this type of technology to burn round bales
> > for heating an outside boiler for my home and shop.  I have about 100
> > bales of hay that is sold at the cost of baling every year.  It would be
> > nice not to run that heat pump in the winter...
> >
> > Cecil inOKla
> >
> > charliehill wrote:
> >> Steve, that is why I am studying it now.  To see if it's feasible to
do 
> >> and
> >> if so to start making plans for it before I need it.  I shared this
with 
> >> the
> >> list for two reasons; to see if anyone here had any knowledge or direct
> >> experience with gasification and to share it with my friends so you all
> >> could consider it if you like.
> >>
> >> I'm not proposing running engines with it necessarily.  There are
other 
> >> uses
> >> such as firing a boiler to turn a steam turbine, etc.  There is a huge 
> >> wood
> >> engergy plant in my county that does exactly that.   They "burn" waste 
> >> wood
> >> to produce steam for our industrial park and they are very successful
and
> >> efficient at it.  I don't know their exact process but I'm pretty sure
it 
> >> is
> >> not just a "burn".  I have all ideas that they are essentially a
> >> gasification plant because they have very little stack emissions and 
> >> their
> >> by product is something that looks very much like bio char and it is 
> >> being
> >> spread on farm land in the area.
> >>
> >> Sometimes I wonder why I bother.  I tried to share this stuff with you 
> >> with
> >> good intent and all it get back is na-saying and arguement.  If you
don't
> >> like the idea just forget about it and move on.  I know a man that
used 
> >> to
> >> make a 6 figure salary selling Encylopedia Britanica.  In the early
80's
> >> some of us tried to tell him what was about to happen to his industry. 
> >> He
> >> refuesed to listen.  About 10 years later they put him out to pasture
and
> >> without about 90% of the pension he had earned.  Things are changing 
> >> rapidly
> >> in this country.  If you don't keep your ear to the ground and look for
> >> alternatives you might get left behind.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Stephen Offiler" <soffiler at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:36 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Gasifiers
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:28 AM, charliehill
<charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> The only way I would want use a gasifier to run a car or tractor
would 
> >>> be
> >>> the same as it was used in the war, in an emergency. My thoughts on 
> >>> using
> >>> gasifiers are just as you mention Mattias, to use some waste biomass
to
> >>> run
> >>> a generator or to more efficiently produce heat.
> >>
> >>
> >> Only problem there, Charlie, is that emergencies always happen
> >> suddenly, by definition.  And you can't just "suddenly" develop your
> >> own wood gas rig.  Even the crappy ones that barely function take a
> >> whole lot of home-shop fiddling to get there.
> >>
> >> Everything I've always heard about wood gas was quite negative and
> >> that's pure engineering, not counting at all the emotional connections
> >> to WWII.  It's quite messy, the engine runs terribly if at all, and
> >> the gases are extremely corrosive.
> >>
> >> SO
> >>
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