[AT] All smoke, but no fire

[charliehill]

Doug I think you are right, they took the propane propellant out of WD40 but 
a propane torch (unlit) will do the same thing.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] All smoke, but no fire


> We used to use WD40 on engines that had sat and got dry or a fresh
> engine for first start-up but I'm not sure the WD40 of today is still as
> explosive. Gibbs still ignites fairly well. Doug T
>
> william.neff.powell at comcast.net wrote:
>> My old Allis Dozer HD6G won't initially start without ether. It came out 
>> of the factory with an ether dispenser that would hold canisters about 
>> the size of a pill bottle. No glow plugs back then so I guess ether was 
>> the only way. Are you holding the throttle wide open? I remember a post a 
>> few years ago where a guy bought a dozer offsite, repaired the pony motor 
>> and tried starting the diesel, just white smoke for a long time until he 
>> put the throttle off of idle and it fired up...
>>
>> Sometimes if its over 90 my dozer may start without the ether... Of 
>> course as a previous poster said, just use a little bit, that's all it 
>> takes.
>>
>>
>> When I have trouble starting gas engines I squirt motor oil down the 
>> spark plug hole, that builds the compression and usually starts them 
>> right up when ether won't work. But with a diesel it may be diffucult to 
>> put some oil in.... I guess if your squirting diesel in with the injector 
>> that should bring the compression up? Not as thick as motor oil though...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Will Powell
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: jahaze at aol.com
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 2:15:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [AT] All smoke, but no fire
>>
>> I know that it takes compression to fire a Diesel, is it possible that 
>> the starter was turning it over too slow to build up enough compresion, 
>> possibly due to worn rings?? It turned over OK, but not a fast as my 
>> Super 77, I'm going to try cleaning up the started connections next time 
>> to see if that will help.? I did put a brand new battery in it on 
>> Saturday, but that didn't solve the problem.
>>
>> Enjoy, Joe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Larry Goss <rlgoss at insightbb.com>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 4 May 2009 1:47 pm
>> Subject: Re: [AT] All smoke, but no fire
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not surprised that you couldn't find the spark plugs on a Diesel 
>> engine.?
>> :-)
>>
>> White smoke was an indication of worn rings on a Diesel I used to have.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: jahaze at aol.com
>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009 12:26
>> Subject: [AT] All smoke, but no fire
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>
>>
>>> I had some time to mess with the Ford 6000 Diesel I picked up
>>> about a year ago.? I just can't seem to get it started, it was
>>> turining over just fine and had a bunch of white smoke coming
>>> out of the exhaust, but it just won't fire.? Any suggestions?? I
>>> was going to try a change the spark plugs, but I couldn't seem
>>> to find them :-).? Could the fuel be too old to ignite?
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Joe
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