[AT] All smoke, but no fire

[Doug Tallman]

We used to use WD40 on engines that had sat and got dry or a fresh 
engine for first start-up but I'm not sure the WD40 of today is still as 
explosive. Gibbs still ignites fairly well. Doug T

william.neff.powell at comcast.net wrote:
> My old Allis Dozer HD6G won't initially start without ether. It came out of the factory with an ether dispenser that would hold canisters about the size of a pill bottle. No glow plugs back then so I guess ether was the only way. Are you holding the throttle wide open? I remember a post a few years ago where a guy bought a dozer offsite, repaired the pony motor and tried starting the diesel, just white smoke for a long time until he put the throttle off of idle and it fired up... 
>
> Sometimes if its over 90 my dozer may start without the ether... Of course as a previous poster said, just use a little bit, that's all it takes. 
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> When I have trouble starting gas engines I squirt motor oil down the spark plug hole, that builds the compression and usually starts them right up when ether won't work. But with a diesel it may be diffucult to put some oil in.... I guess if your squirting diesel in with the injector that should bring the compression up? Not as thick as motor oil though... 
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> Regards, 
>
> Will Powell 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: jahaze at aol.com 
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> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 2:15:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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> I know that it takes compression to fire a Diesel, is it possible that the starter was turning it over too slow to build up enough compresion, possibly due to worn rings?? It turned over OK, but not a fast as my Super 77, I'm going to try cleaning up the started connections next time to see if that will help.? I did put a brand new battery in it on Saturday, but that didn't solve the problem. 
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> Enjoy, Joe 
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Larry Goss <rlgoss at insightbb.com> 
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> Sent: Mon, 4 May 2009 1:47 pm 
> Subject: Re: [AT] All smoke, but no fire 
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> I'm not surprised that you couldn't find the spark plugs on a Diesel engine.? 
> :-) 
>
> White smoke was an indication of worn rings on a Diesel I used to have. 
>
> Larry 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: jahaze at aol.com 
> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009 12:26 
> Subject: [AT] All smoke, but no fire 
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>   
>> I had some time to mess with the Ford 6000 Diesel I picked up 
>> about a year ago.? I just can't seem to get it started, it was 
>> turining over just fine and had a bunch of white smoke coming 
>> out of the exhaust, but it just won't fire.? Any suggestions?? I 
>> was going to try a change the spark plugs, but I couldn't seem 
>> to find them :-).? Could the fuel be too old to ignite? 
>>
>> Enjoy, Joe 
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