[AT] All smoke, but no fire

[Doug Tallman]

The thing was that the lubricant would bring up the compression enough 
to get it to fire. You lose that with straight propane but I suppose you 
could cheat it a little and use both. Doug T

charliehill wrote:
> Doug I think you are right, they took the propane propellant out of WD40 but 
> a propane torch (unlit) will do the same thing.
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] All smoke, but no fire
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>   
>> We used to use WD40 on engines that had sat and got dry or a fresh
>> engine for first start-up but I'm not sure the WD40 of today is still as
>> explosive. Gibbs still ignites fairly well. Doug T
>>
>> william.neff.powell at comcast.net wrote:
>>     
>>> My old Allis Dozer HD6G won't initially start without ether. It came out 
>>> of the factory with an ether dispenser that would hold canisters about 
>>> the size of a pill bottle. No glow plugs back then so I guess ether was 
>>> the only way. Are you holding the throttle wide open? I remember a post a 
>>> few years ago where a guy bought a dozer offsite, repaired the pony motor 
>>> and tried starting the diesel, just white smoke for a long time until he 
>>> put the throttle off of idle and it fired up...
>>>
>>> Sometimes if its over 90 my dozer may start without the ether... Of 
>>> course as a previous poster said, just use a little bit, that's all it 
>>> takes.
>>>
>>>
>>> When I have trouble starting gas engines I squirt motor oil down the 
>>> spark plug hole, that builds the compression and usually starts them 
>>> right up when ether won't work. But with a diesel it may be diffucult to 
>>> put some oil in.... I guess if your squirting diesel in with the injector 
>>> that should bring the compression up? Not as thick as motor oil though...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Will Powell
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: jahaze at aol.com
>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 2:15:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] All smoke, but no fire
>>>
>>> I know that it takes compression to fire a Diesel, is it possible that 
>>> the starter was turning it over too slow to build up enough compresion, 
>>> possibly due to worn rings?? It turned over OK, but not a fast as my 
>>> Super 77, I'm going to try cleaning up the started connections next time 
>>> to see if that will help.? I did put a brand new battery in it on 
>>> Saturday, but that didn't solve the problem.
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Larry Goss <rlgoss at insightbb.com>
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, 4 May 2009 1:47 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] All smoke, but no fire
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised that you couldn't find the spark plugs on a Diesel 
>>> engine.?
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> White smoke was an indication of worn rings on a Diesel I used to have.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: jahaze at aol.com
>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009 12:26
>>> Subject: [AT] All smoke, but no fire
>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I had some time to mess with the Ford 6000 Diesel I picked up
>>>> about a year ago.? I just can't seem to get it started, it was
>>>> turining over just fine and had a bunch of white smoke coming
>>>> out of the exhaust, but it just won't fire.? Any suggestions?? I
>>>> was going to try a change the spark plugs, but I couldn't seem
>>>> to find them :-).? Could the fuel be too old to ignite?
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
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