[AT] All smoke, but no fire

[william.neff.powell at comcast.net]

My old Allis Dozer HD6G won't initially start without ether. It came out of the factory with an ether dispenser that would hold canisters about the size of a pill bottle. No glow plugs back then so I guess ether was the only way. Are you holding the throttle wide open? I remember a post a few years ago where a guy bought a dozer offsite, repaired the pony motor and tried starting the diesel, just white smoke for a long time until he put the throttle off of idle and it fired up... 

Sometimes if its over 90 my dozer may start without the ether... Of course as a previous poster said, just use a little bit, that's all it takes. 


When I have trouble starting gas engines I squirt motor oil down the spark plug hole, that builds the compression and usually starts them right up when ether won't work. But with a diesel it may be diffucult to put some oil in.... I guess if your squirting diesel in with the injector that should bring the compression up? Not as thick as motor oil though... 

Regards, 

Will Powell 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: jahaze at aol.com 
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Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 2:15:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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I know that it takes compression to fire a Diesel, is it possible that the starter was turning it over too slow to build up enough compresion, possibly due to worn rings?? It turned over OK, but not a fast as my Super 77, I'm going to try cleaning up the started connections next time to see if that will help.? I did put a brand new battery in it on Saturday, but that didn't solve the problem. 

Enjoy, Joe 


-----Original Message----- 
From: Larry Goss <rlgoss at insightbb.com> 
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I'm not surprised that you couldn't find the spark plugs on a Diesel engine.? 
:-) 

White smoke was an indication of worn rings on a Diesel I used to have. 

Larry 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: jahaze at aol.com 
Date: Monday, May 4, 2009 12:26 
Subject: [AT] All smoke, but no fire 
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> 
> I had some time to mess with the Ford 6000 Diesel I picked up 
> about a year ago.? I just can't seem to get it started, it was 
> turining over just fine and had a bunch of white smoke coming 
> out of the exhaust, but it just won't fire.? Any suggestions?? I 
> was going to try a change the spark plugs, but I couldn't seem 
> to find them :-).? Could the fuel be too old to ignite? 
> 
> Enjoy, Joe 
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