[AT] OT - is this a hoax?

Thu May 1 19:18:38 PDT 2008

Mike hasn't got any cash in hand yet.  ("Victor's" email only said "most 
probably, cash.")

Bait and switch is a time honored scam practice.

Doesn't pass the smell test.

Doesn't make logical sense that it is legit.  "Victor" either doesn't have a 
grasp of the realities of buying, shipping and selling vehicles, or he is 
setting up a scam.   (How is he able to estimate shipping costs when he 
doesn't even know what state Birmingham is in?  Moving a car from one side 
of the US to the other would take up half of his shipping estimate. To say 
nothing of getting it half way around the world.)  Whether he's green or 
he's mean, trying to deal with him will bring Mike trouble.

If anyone is inclined to believe in these sort of things, I can forward you 
plenty of emails promising wealth beyond your wildest imagination.   All you 
have to do is send them your bank account routing numbers.  That allows them 
to deposit millions into (and withdraw everything from) your accounts.

Neal

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Van Peursem" <deanvp at att.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'" 
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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] OT - is this a hoax?

> Neal,
>
> I agree with your concern but if this is a scam wouldn't they want to 
> offer an
> unusually attractive price since they won't be paying it anyway?  And they 
> do
> mention bringing cash to the owner with a representative.  I agree with 
> all the
> caution flags but this one doesn't fit the mold of others I have seen.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Neal Warren
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:15 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT - is this a hoax?
>
> Mike,
> Has all the earmarks of the "Nigerian Scam" with a different location.
> What it will boil down to is he will send you a "cashiers check" for an
> amount above the price of the car, with the request that you forward the
> difference to his "shipping agent" to take care of the delivery.   When 
> you
> take the "cashiers check" to the bank, they will say that it is valid and
> deposit it.  Two or three weeks later, after you have sent part of the 
> money
> to his agent, the check will come back as a forgery.   You will be out the
> money that you have sent off, along with the banks fees, and you will have
> to cover the check with your bank if you have spent any of it.
>
> Check this out from Craigslist (scam # 2).
> http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html
>
> "Victor" wanting to ship a Camry with 180k miles on it to Africa makes 
> about
> as much logical sense as the emails that I get from people who want to 
> share
> their stash of hundreds of millions of dollars with someone whom they just
> picked out of an email address list.
>
> Chances of it being legit are slim to none.
>
> Neal
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike" <msm10301 at juno.com>
> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:18 PM
> Subject: [AT] OT - is this a hoax?
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I could use a little insight into some ruses people use to scam people.
>> I'm selling a car and I get a call from "Victor" who says he is in 
>> Africa.
>> I had a hell of a time understanding him so I asked him to email me what
>> he was trying to ask. Here's the email:
>>
>> Quote:
>>
>> Michael,
>> Thanks for the audience on the phone.Although, you didn't get to
>> understand what I was telling you. I was trying to make you understand
>> that I am not going to be the end user of the car. I intend reselling the
>> car here in Africa. So, I am looking to get a cheap car,
>> because, I am going to take care of the shipping cost, which I think is
>> about $1500- $2000 and also the duty I am going to pay for the car at the
>> Seaport here in Africa.
>>
>> Clearing a car here at the seaport is expensive.I would have loved you to
>> come down in your price.I am willing to pay $3500 considering my other
>> expenses regarding getting the car down here to Africa. You said the car
>> is located in Birmingham. Could you pls tell me the State Birmingham is
>> located in?
>>
>> If we agree on the price, I have someone in the States who would come to
>> inspect the car on my behalf and also make out payments to you(most
>> probably, cash).
>>
>> Pls send me an email to this effect so that we can get the ball rolling.
>> Also, I would appreciate if you send me recent pics of the car. My 
>> numbers
>> are +2348023254023,
>> +23412179252.
>>
>> Expecting to read from you soon
>>
>> Victor."
>>
>> Who would want to ship a Camry with 180,000 miles on it to Africa? I know
>> a lot of you guys have dealt with similar issues when selling tractors,
>> how do you know whether the guy is a scammer. He mentions cash, but these
>> days it's hard to trust cash let alone a cashiers check  ,which can be
>> phony. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
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