[AT] Engine flushing etc.

[Skip Cleveland]

You have summed it up perfectly, Dean.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Van Peursem" <deanvp at att.net>
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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Engine flushing etc.


> I'd like to offer a slightly different point of view from a JD 
> perspective.
> If you are able obtain a copy of a JD Operator's manual from the 40's and
> 50's era you will find a section where JD recommends the use of Kerosene 
> to
> flush the engine. The procedure is explained quite well.  I have followed
> that procedure quite often and have never damaged any engine components 
> that
> I am aware of.
>
> However, I am sure that JD assumed this procedure would be used on a 
> tractor
> that was a working tractor on an active farm operation with some semblance
> of PM. We are quite often not dealing with that kind of existing
> environment. There may have been years of inadequate maintenance performed
> on the engine and then may have set unused for years. I have scooped
> handfuls of sludge out of an engine compartment. I would never flush an
> engine in that condition with any kind of flushing procedure until I had
> manually cleaned the inside of the engine to the best of my ability. Then
> pour more cleaning solution into the crankcase and clean it again. 
> Including
> removing and cleaning any oil line and mesh filter I could get to. Then
> install a brand new filter and add the appropriate amount of cleaning
> solution and only turn the engine over with the starter until the oil
> pressure registers "normal" for a short period of time. Then completely
> drain the system. Hand clean again inside the crankcase. And replace the
> filter.
>
> Now if one feels they have gotten most of the sludge and garbage out, then
> just fill the crankcase with the required amount and weight of detergent
> oil. With just a few running hours, at appropriate operating temperature
> (Very Important), the inside of the engine will be close to clean as you 
> are
> ever going to get it. Then change the oil and filter one more time. 
> Today's
> detergent oil is quite amazing and effective.
>
> Just my $0.02 worth.
>
>
> Dean Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA
>
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Skip Cleveland
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:38 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Engine flushing etc.
>
> Here is how it would work for me if I tried it, which I won't. Dump in
> kerosene and out comes all the filth, heads for the filter and pluggs it
> straight up, bypass opens and dirt then goes on to  machine the engine to
> the next three over sizes.
>
> Skip
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> From: "H. L. Staples" <hlstaples at mcloudteleco.com>
> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Engine flushing etc.
>
>
>> Bearing surfaces is where the oil goes right after the filter, so it
>> should
>> be as clean as the filter can get it.  Hopefully the washing takes place
>> on
>> the way back to the pan.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/2007 1:36:10 PM, Skip Cleveland (skipcleveland at bellsouth.net)
>> wrote:
>>> Motor oil can hold quite a bit of grime in suspension, away from any >
>> bearing > surfaces until it can get it to the filter. Do you think that a
>> thin > liquid > like kerosene might make dirt into sort of a liquid
>> sandpaper? > Just a thought. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > 
>> From:
>> Francis Robinson" <robinson at svs.net> > To: "Antique tractor email
>> discussion
>> group" <at at lists.antique-tractor. > com> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007
>> 1:58
>> PM > Subject: [AT] Engine flushing etc. > > > > I have always been a
>> little
>> concerned about running an engine with K- > 1 > > in it but it is 
>> probably
>> fine as long as you don't get carried away and > > run > > it too long.
>> Surely it is better for an engine than the dirt... I have > > drained
>> engines and then poured K-1 through it to flush out the stuff that > >
>> settles to the bottom. I have also put in about a gallon and ran it very 
>>  >
>
>>  >
>> briefly. I never really felt that it hurt anything but I still had a > >
>> nagging
>> H. L. Staples
>> McLoud, Oklahoma
>> USA
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