[AT] Titan tractor print

[RonMyers at wildblue.net]

Well Guy Fay this pretty much lets IHC  out of the loop now doesn't it.

Published before 1923 	In public domain  	None

Ron
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> IH (Navistar) still owns the rights, there's agreements between the
> Society and Navistar about who can do what.
>>
>> That advertising image of the IH tractor is most likely owned by IH,
>> unless the copyright period has elapsed.  Did the society get the rights
>> to that too?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Guy Fay
>> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:34 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Titan tractor print
>>
>> In fact the Wisconsin Historical Society received the items from the
>> original copyright owner along with certain rights- however, the Society
>> has to take steps to protect the rights of the original owner.
>> >
>> > Unless the library has tracked down the original copyright holder and
>> in
>> > some manner obtained those rights, these images are most likely now in
>> > the public domain and you can copy them at will.
>> >
>> > But you'd need to do your own research to decide whether you can just
>> > ignore the claims of ownership.  My approach would be to just ignore
>> > them.
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of JParks
>> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 1:11 PM
>> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] Titan tractor print
>> >
>> > Larry
>> > I agree that this is a pretty gray area.  It is gray in so many ways,
>> > whether it is a copy or even the original.  I'm more appalled by
>> > businesses
>> > and individuals patenting pieces of nature. e.g. plants which have
>> been
>> > on
>> > the earth for millions of years.  The next step would be to patent and
>> > protect the elements on the periodic table, requiring us to submit
>> > royalties
>> > to the owners of the patents.  I hope I haven't given anyone any
>> ideas.
>> >
>> > John Parks
>> > Boise, Id
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Larry D Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] Titan tractor print
>> >
>> >
>> > > I've been chewing on the inside of my lips all afternoon and evening
>> > because
>> > > of your email, John.  That is a nice print.  The image reminds me
>> that
>> > I
>> > > have a digitally restored photograph of three Titan's with plows
>> > attached
>> > > and parked in front of the local IH dealership after field testing
>> > them in
>> > > Posey county, Indiana.  The original photo was on the wall of the
>> > dealership
>> > > and the owner loaned it to me to see what I could do with it.  So I
>> > did a
>> > > high-resolution scan of the photo (out of its frame) and then
>> tweaked
>> > the
>> > > image to clean it up, bring back the brightness and contrast, and
>> > print it
>> > > out at a larger size than the original.  I gave him back three or
>> four
>> > good
>> > > prints of it and a copy of the digital photo file.
>> > >
>> > > I do this sort of thing regularly with the thousands of photos that
>> I
>> > have
>> > > custody of through genealogy work.  It really gets interesting when
>> I
>> > see
>> > > claims of ownership like the one that accompanies the Wisconsin
>> > History
>> > file
>> > > that you listed.  I ran into a similar claim of ownership of
>> > historical
>> > > photos in a library in Colorado -- not to be copied or modified,
>> etc,
>> > etc,
>> > > ...  I recognized some of the photos in the library holdings as
>> being
>> > > identical to photos I have in my own collection.  The frustration
>> > level of
>> > > the poor archivist at the library nearly reached the breaking point
>> > when
>> > she
>> > > saw that I had a number of photos that were obviously identical to
>> > their
>> > > holdings and that many of mine were in better condition than theirs.
>> > >
>> > > The bottom line is that libraries and historical societies are going
>> > to
>> > have
>> > > a difficult time trying to uphold their claimed ownership of items
>> > such as
>> > > this while making them accessible to the public at the same time.
>> The
>> > > philosophy of a great number of these organizations is that of
>> > protectionism
>> > > rather than free access.
>> > >
>> > > Larry
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "John Cullom" <jh_cullom at comcast.net>
>> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:16 PM
>> > > Subject: [AT] Titan tractor print
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >I finally got around to having this old IH Titan advertizing print
>> > from
>> > > >1919 professionally mounted
>> > > > so it'll be preserved. I found it rolled up in an old outbuilding
>> on
>> > my
>> > > > late grandfather's farm.
>> > > > Part of it was mouse eaten, but most was in good shape. I know
>> there
>> > was
>> > a
>> > > > Titan on the farm many
>> > > > years ago, so I surmised this poster came with the tractor, or was
>> > an ad
>> > > > they got from the dealer.
>> > > > Here's a shot of it framed -
>> > > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/print.jpg. Here's a writeup
>> on
>> > the
>> > > > print from the Wisconsin Historical Society -
>> > > >
>> >
>> http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullRecord.asp?id=3557&formatNumber=
>> > 9999
>> > 000314.
>> > > >
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