[AT] Titan tractor print

Guy Fay fayguyma at execpc.com
Mon Jul 30 08:10:57 PDT 2007 

IH (Navistar) still owns the rights, there's agreements between the Society and Navistar about who can do what.
> 
> That advertising image of the IH tractor is most likely owned by IH,
> unless the copyright period has elapsed.  Did the society get the rights
> to that too?
> 
> Rick
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Guy Fay
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:34 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Titan tractor print
> 
> In fact the Wisconsin Historical Society received the items from the
> original copyright owner along with certain rights- however, the Society
> has to take steps to protect the rights of the original owner.
> > 
> > Unless the library has tracked down the original copyright holder and
> in
> > some manner obtained those rights, these images are most likely now in
> > the public domain and you can copy them at will.
> > 
> > But you'd need to do your own research to decide whether you can just
> > ignore the claims of ownership.  My approach would be to just ignore
> > them.
> > 
> > Rick
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of JParks
> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 1:11 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Titan tractor print
> > 
> > Larry
> > I agree that this is a pretty gray area.  It is gray in so many ways,
> > whether it is a copy or even the original.  I'm more appalled by
> > businesses
> > and individuals patenting pieces of nature. e.g. plants which have
> been
> > on
> > the earth for millions of years.  The next step would be to patent and
> > protect the elements on the periodic table, requiring us to submit
> > royalties
> > to the owners of the patents.  I hope I haven't given anyone any
> ideas.
> > 
> > John Parks
> > Boise, Id
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry D Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Titan tractor print
> > 
> > 
> > > I've been chewing on the inside of my lips all afternoon and evening
> > because
> > > of your email, John.  That is a nice print.  The image reminds me
> that
> > I
> > > have a digitally restored photograph of three Titan's with plows
> > attached
> > > and parked in front of the local IH dealership after field testing
> > them in
> > > Posey county, Indiana.  The original photo was on the wall of the
> > dealership
> > > and the owner loaned it to me to see what I could do with it.  So I
> > did a
> > > high-resolution scan of the photo (out of its frame) and then
> tweaked
> > the
> > > image to clean it up, bring back the brightness and contrast, and
> > print it
> > > out at a larger size than the original.  I gave him back three or
> four
> > good
> > > prints of it and a copy of the digital photo file.
> > >
> > > I do this sort of thing regularly with the thousands of photos that
> I
> > have
> > > custody of through genealogy work.  It really gets interesting when
> I
> > see
> > > claims of ownership like the one that accompanies the Wisconsin
> > History
> > file
> > > that you listed.  I ran into a similar claim of ownership of
> > historical
> > > photos in a library in Colorado -- not to be copied or modified,
> etc,
> > etc,
> > > ...  I recognized some of the photos in the library holdings as
> being
> > > identical to photos I have in my own collection.  The frustration
> > level of
> > > the poor archivist at the library nearly reached the breaking point
> > when
> > she
> > > saw that I had a number of photos that were obviously identical to
> > their
> > > holdings and that many of mine were in better condition than theirs.
> > >
> > > The bottom line is that libraries and historical societies are going
> > to
> > have
> > > a difficult time trying to uphold their claimed ownership of items
> > such as
> > > this while making them accessible to the public at the same time.
> The
> > > philosophy of a great number of these organizations is that of
> > protectionism
> > > rather than free access.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Cullom" <jh_cullom at comcast.net>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:16 PM
> > > Subject: [AT] Titan tractor print
> > >
> > >
> > > >I finally got around to having this old IH Titan advertizing print
> > from
> > > >1919 professionally mounted
> > > > so it'll be preserved. I found it rolled up in an old outbuilding
> on
> > my
> > > > late grandfather's farm.
> > > > Part of it was mouse eaten, but most was in good shape. I know
> there
> > was
> > a
> > > > Titan on the farm many
> > > > years ago, so I surmised this poster came with the tractor, or was
> > an ad
> > > > they got from the dealer.
> > > > Here's a shot of it framed -
> > > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/print.jpg. Here's a writeup
> on
> > the
> > > > print from the Wisconsin Historical Society -
> > > >
> >
> http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullRecord.asp?id=3557&formatNumber=
> > 9999
> > 000314.
> > > >
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