[AT] OT: Gas story

Sun Jul 8 06:13:52 PDT 2007

Your experts are probably just saying as an average as opposed to being true 
everywhere. Here in Northern Minnesota, the frost line has occasionally 
gotten down to 8 to 12 feet. This means the ground at this depth is frozen 
(below 32 deg). I'm sure the opposite applies in southern areas and the 
ground temp is warmer than 55 deg at 4 foot depth. The statement is kind of 
like the drowning actuary stating that this isn't right because the average 
depth of the river is 2 feet. ;>)
Larry Mason
Hackensack MN
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <RonMyers at wildblue.net>
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Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story


> If I'm such an Idiot them why do these experts agree with what I have 
> said.
>
> RON
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ground temperatures
>
> At depths below four feet, ground temperature stays a constant 50 to 55
> degrees Fahrenheit year-round.
>
> During the winter, a geothermal system absorbs this extra heat from the
> earth and transfers it into your home. During the summer, the system takes
> heat from indoors and moves it back underground.
>
> Annual air temperature, moisture content, soil type and vegetative cover
> (i.e., trees and plants) all have an effect on underground soil
> temperature.
>
> As you might expect, the earth's temperature changes in response to
> weather changes, but there is less change at greater depths.
>
>
> Geothermal - ground temperatures
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> Can't we all just get along?
>>          Dave
>>
>> At 12:37 AM 7/5/2007, you wrote:
>>>Sometimes I wonder... would this list be totally quiet if Walt never
>>>existed? ;-)
>>>
>>>Mattias
>>>
>>>
>>>2007/7/5, charlie hill <chill8 at suddenlink.net>:
>>> >
>>> > Ken,  Walt DOES think the world is flat.  That's why no one can
>>> explain
>>> > anything else to him.
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Ken Knierim" <ken.knierim at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> > >
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:33 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > Ron,
>>> > >
>>> > > Average ground temp in central Arizona is over 80 degrees and higher
>>> > > than that right now. Outside temp is better than 115 degrees as I
>>> type
>>> > > this. Pumps are calibrated at 60 degrees according to federal
>>> > > standards but the ground doesn't care; no temp regulation exists.
>>> > >
>>> > > Solids, liquids and gases usually expand when heated, right? Do you
>>> > > THINK there might be a LITTLE expansion in the fuel with that kind
>>> of
>>> > > heat?  Do you know the coefficient of expansion for petrochemicals
>>> or
>>> > > more specifically, gasoline? Some quick research shows it's close to
>>> > > 4X that of mercury:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://dev.physicslab.org/Document.aspx?doctype=3&filename=ThermalPhysics_ThermalExpansion.xml
>>> > >
>>> > > With all due respect, there IS a difference due to temperature. Now
>>> > > whether you'll notice it with a vehicle is another story, but
>>> claiming
>>> > > it doesn't exist is like saying the earth is flat. You might not be
>>> > > able to see it (or electrons, for that matter) but claiming it's
>>> bull
>>> > > isn't very open-minded.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ken in AZ
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 7/4/07, RonMyers at wildblue.net <RonMyers at wildblue.net> wrote:
>>> > >> George,
>>> > >> The temperature at the point where the underground tanks are stored
>>> is
>>> > on
>>> > >> average 55 deg.  No matter what part of the country that you live
>>> in.
>>> > >> North south east or west . this is set by the government
>>> regulations.
>>> > so
>>> > >> it really doesn't matter where you get it from.
>>> > >> In almost all states the meters on the pumps are tested to
>>> guarantee
>>> > >> their
>>> > >> accuracy so this whole bunch of Bull is just that a bunch of Bull.
>>> > >> You a full gallon of gas at each station or the government will
>>> come
>>> > down
>>> > >> hard on the owners.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Ron
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > Some folks completely miss the point.  It's the temperature of
>>> the
>>> > gas
>>> > >> > when
>>> > >> > it's metered through the gas pump at the station that makes the
>>> > >> > difference.
>>> > >> > The gas that's expanded because it's warmer when it's measured
>>> and
>>> > sold
>>> > >> > is
>>> > >> > the point.  You're paying for slightly more than you're actually
>>> > >> > getting.
>>> > >> > I
>>> > >> > doubt the difference that's claimed is as large as stated, but
>>> > there's
>>> > >> > a
>>> > >> > difference anyway.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > George Willer
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> When you put the cold fuel in your hot tank sitting in the sun
>>> > >> >> alongside
>>> > >> >> the Mack doesn't it get warmer.
>>> > >> >> I can't believe that anybody would believe that the temperature
>>> of
>>> > the
>>> > >> >> fuel would make difference. If its gasoline its preheated before
>>> it
>>> > go
>>> > >> >> into the Carb. If its diesel it preheated in the manifold same
>>> as
>>> > fuel
>>> > >> >> injected cars.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Ron
>>> > >> >
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