[AT] Canola to diesel

Tue Feb 6 10:51:46 PST 2007

My 64 Dodge could be push started I know because I left the lights on one
morning at work an the battery was deader than a doornail.

Ron

>     Charles;
> All of the early automatic transmissions has rear pumps in them. The
> Ford-O-Matic, Power Glide, Power Flite and Hydra-Matic all had rear pumps
> and could be push started. These were all with the cast iron cases. In
> 1960
> to 1961 when all transmissions went to aluminum cases, the rear pump was
> eliminated.
>
>                         Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Bridges" <bridgescharles at hughes.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Canola to diesel
>
>
>> Never knew they built one like that.  I would guess you could tow it
>> without damageing the transmission also.
>>
>> Mercedes engineers will think outside the box!
>>
>> Charles
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry D Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 05,:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Canola to diesel
>>
>>
>>>I don't want to take sides on this issue, but I'd like to relate my
>>>experience with a Mercedes Diesel.
>>>
>>> The MB automatic transmission on my 200D was unique in that it had
>>> pumps in it that ran off of the output shaft as well as the input
>>> shaft.
>>> As
>>> a result, it was possible to push start the engine.  I did it
>>> regularly.
>>> I
>>> would park it in the first row of the faculty parking lot on the side
>>> of
>>> the mountain at the university in West Virginia.  When it came
>>> time to head for home, I would put the transmission in neutral, let the
>>> car
>>> coast down into an alley, turn the corner onto the main drive, and head
>>> down
>>> the mountain.  By the time I had traveled 50 feet or so, I could move
>>> the
>>> shift lever into low and the engine would start spinning.  In another
>>> 50
>>> feet the engine was running and I started giving it some throttle.  As
>>> I
>>> said, I did this regularly rather than go through any of the
>>> pre-heating
>>> procedures.  I always started it at idle, so the throttle plate was
>>> closed.
>>> No preheating of the glow plugs; no red-hot B-B's in the pre-combustion
>>> chamber; no reduced compression ratio because of a closed throttle
>>> plate.
>>>
>>> Any time I checked the compression of the engine, it was in the 300 psi
>>> range.  That is with the throttle plate closed, all the glow plugs
>>> removed, and the engine spinning with
>>> just the starter motor.
>>>
>>> BTW, I only need to pre-heat the glow plugs on my Kubota tractor when
>>> the
>>> ambient temperature gets down to around freezing.
>>>
>>> I suspect that with this spell of cold weather we're all suffering a
>>> bit
>>> from cabin fever.  As my Dad used to say, "I'll hold your coats while
>>> you
>>> and him fight."  :-)
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ken Knierim" <ken.knierim at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Canola to diesel
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>>     The fact that the engine has a throttle plate and the ball pin
>>>> indicates it has different parts than a true Diesel engine. Take them
>>>> out to make it a Diesel and see what happens. From the description
>>>> given, this engine is a lot closer to a "hot-bulb" engine. Might I
>>>> suggest you do some research on those engines?
>>>> There are a number of different engines that will burn diesel fuel; I
>>>> have a TD-14 crawler that starts on gas and switches to diesel. It's a
>>>> combination of different types of engines; it has a direct injection
>>>> pump on one side and a carb and spark plugs on the other.
>>>> There are also the "kerosene" types that preheat the fuel in the
>>>> manifold; they can burn diesel as well but that does NOT make them a
>>>> Diesel engine. There is also a Hesselman that used direct injection
>>>> that fit your classification but had a very low compression ratio
>>>> (Allis Chalmers and Case tried them). It wasn't a Diesel either.
>>>> Honest, there IS a difference. The fact that you've been able to start
>>>> it without the factory-installed glow plugs doesn't mean they're not
>>>> necessary; the factory engineers had to justify them to the
>>>> beancounters before they put them in, so they're probably there for a
>>>> reason, just like the ball pins. You might not know the reason, but
>>>> I'd venture a guess the factory engineers knew why. A true compression
>>>> engine would not require the "hot bulb' of the heated ball pin.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_bulb_engine
>>>> is a good link and they have a comparison with a Diesel engine.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Ken in AZ
>>>>
>>>> On 2/5/07, Tom Yasnowski <tomyasnowski at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Of course diesel engines have changed and improved over the years.
>>>>> But
>>>>> the
>>>>> basic premise is still the same--ignition thru compression of fuel as
>>>>> opposed to a spark.  George says with the MB glow plugs are necessary
>>>>> for
>>>>> ignition.  Wonder how I started mine cold when my glowplugs were not
>>>>> working
>>>>> last fall? The heated ball pin aids in combustion but is not
>>>>> required.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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