[AT] Was:JD Model 4C plow; Now: emigration

Sat Jan 21 08:59:40 PST 2006

Because of the bias in our history books, we get led into believing that
EVERYBODY came to this country for "religious freedom".  But when push
comes to shove, that was just one of the reasons and it wasn't
necessarily the main one.  As Mattias says, many of the monuments and
memorials that have been constructed in Europe recognize the famine
conditions that occurred there in the middle of the 19th century as a
major reason for emigrating.  War and the threat of war also was a major
reason for emigration, and for England in particular shipping people out
of the country by force was a way of solving many problems associated
with prisoners, orphans, and others who were viewed as undesirable.

The German-Russians are a fairly unique situation.  Catherine the Great
invited them to settle in areas around the Caspian Sea and promised no
conscription.  They lived there in German speaking enclaves for 150
years and then had to leave because of the political unrest prior to the
Bolshevik revolution.  They couldn't go back to Germany, but
fundamentally were escorted to Vilnius, Lithuania, and shipped to the
states.  Many ended up in a band of farming communities that stretches
from Colorado to the Canadian border.

I found out a little over a year ago, that a main reason for
establishing an English colony at Jamestown, Virginia, was so the
colonists could supply glass bottles and lumber back to the homeland.
The people didn't have much choice about it -- they were indentured.
Our history books paint that situation as "working off the cost of your
passage", but it came closer to being slavery.  Interestingly, once the
forests around Jamestown had been clear cut, the peninsula was no longer
defensible and had to be abandoned.

Larry 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Metz
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [AT] JD Model 4C plow

Another reason; my Dad told me several times that his Grandparents (and
many 
others) came over from Germany (1860's) to escape conscription
(mandatory 
military service).   I did a brief check and Germany was at war much of
the 
time that part of the century.  The same situation was probably true in
much 
of Europe.   During a two week tour of south central Germany (1997?) we 
again realized that most of the wars involved religion.
And one other reason; ancestors of good friends of ours came over from 
England to escape debtors prison.
Herb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mattias Kessen" <mattias at linderson-mark-bygg.se>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'" 
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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:49 PM
Subject: SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow

> >From here it's was not caused by religion it was starvation that
really 
> >drew
> people away.
>
> /Mattias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fran: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]For Dean VP
> Skickat: den 20 januari 2006 23:11
> Till: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
>
> Mattias:
>
> My understanding was that most people immigrated due to religious
> persecution. My ancestors immigrated in the early 1860's as a church
group
> of around 50 people, mostly all farmers. First moved to the Pella, IA
> region, a largely Dutch community, but were run out by Locusts and
drought
> and then moved to the Sioux County, IA area, a mostly Dutch community,
in 
> NW
> Iowa about 5 years later. Traveled by train to Lemars, IA and then
loaded
> their meager belongings back onto their wagons and traveled North
about 12
> miles.
>
> However, the church (Reformed Church of America) was the main unifying
> organization along with nationality and language commonality. Church
> services were held in both Dutch and English into the 40's and maybe
even
> into the early 50's. The other community in the Midwest that is
largely
> Dutch is the Holland, Michigan area. Each area has their own Tulip 
> Festival
> each year.
>
> Out here on the West Coast we have Lynden, WA which is of largely
Dutch
> ancestry. We can get our fix of Dutch oriented foods there if needed.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
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>
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mattias
Kessen
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:14 AM
> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Subject: SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> You should see the area around here it's more rocks than soil, wonder
why
> that many people emigrated?
>
> /Mattias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fran: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]For Dean VP
> Skickat: den 18 januari 2006 19:44
> Till: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
>
> Mattias:
>
> The rock story!
>
> We never saw any rocks on our place, not even pebbles or sand or clay
for
> that matter. Except....  We had a railroad, The Chicago Northwestern
RR 
> that
> ran through a corner of our land, about as far as one could get from
the
> farm house, up on the highest elevation which might have been 30 feet 
> higher
> than the rest of the land. But there was a little rise there and the
> railroad had cut through that rise to keep the track level.
>
> I was plowing along side of the R/R ground one day and darned if I
didn't
> turn over a rock. Never, never had seen that before.  Rocks meant that
you
> had really poor soil and NW Iowa soil was known to be very rich with a

> very
> deep level of top soil. So, since it was quite an event I mentioned it
at
> lunch the same day and I distinctly remember my father's defensive 
> response.
> "The Rail Road must have brought that in!" End of discussion. :-)
These
> farmers were proud of their land! And rightfully so.
>
> What I find interesting about the third world countries is they are 
> skipping
> some of the technology steps that we went through.  Instead of
building
> miles and miles of telephone land lines they just skipped over all
that 
> and
> went directly from no phone service at all to Cellular. Sometimes it's
> better to be late I guess. I just don't recall now if they had any
three
> phase power in their plants or not. I would think so. Most everything
was
> 220V like most of Europe.
>
> For those of us who had to travel all over, it sure would have been
nice 
> if
> God could have just caused the world to use the same outlet design for

> 220V.
> :-)  I always had to carry a full boatload of adapters with me.
> Discrimination, that is what it is!
>
> Must have been the French who caused this problem. For sale: "One used
> French rifle, never fired, dropped once!"  :-)
>
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mattias
Kessen
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:33 AM
> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Subject: SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> where's the rock story?
>
> Child labour really needs to be seen case by case, it's not right but
it
> might be much better than the alternatives for poor thirld world (the
kind
> were they don't even have 1 phase) kids.
>
> /Mattias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fran: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]For Dean VP
> Skickat: den 16 januari 2006 11:12
> Till: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
>
> Dudley:
>
> I remember plowing with a styled JD B's and a 44 Hand start JD A and
47 JD
> A.  I have asked my much older brother what the years were of the B's.
His
> recollection is different than mine. He says we had a 1936 B and later

> 1941
> and 1948 B's. A 2 x 16" plow is a heavy load for a B, even in our good

> rich
> NW Iowa sandy loam top soil. Primarily because we plowed quite deep.
But I
> don't recall turning over anything but black topsoil. Except for one
rock
> and that incident was a major trauma and a story of its own. In the
spring
> we would plow in three 8 hour shifts. My Dad, my brother and I. The 
> tractors
> were only stopped to put gas in them.
>
> I distinctly remember being quite full of myself the first time Dad
let me
> plow by myself. I could hardly get the clutch lever back and forth and
the
> brake pedals seemed to be a long ways away. I remember Dad attaching
an
> extra length to the hand clutch lever on one of the A's because I just
> couldn't handle that one. OSHA would have had cardiac arrest. Much
less
> child labor law attorneys if they even existed at that time.
>
> I remember plowing with the B's and A's but I was so young, model year
> tractors weren't very important to me at the time I guess. When I was
14
> (1954) or so Dad got a JD 70 and a 4 bottom tag plow and I spent 100's
of
> hours on that combination so I remember that much better. That 70 was
an
> animal, especially after we hopped it up. The B's eventually got
replaced 
> by
> a JD 50 but the A's and the 70 remained. A few years after I left the
farm
> the 70 got replaced by a brand new JD Gas 3010 and 4 bottom three
point
> plow.
>
> During my tenure all of our plows were tag along, trip lift except the
4
> bottom which was a hydraulic lift. I remember the hydraulic lift as
being
> really modern stuff. We were in the big time now!  :-)
>
>
> PS: I get a kick out of those who complain about the countries we
import
> stuff from today that use child labor. But I don't ever hear a
complaint
> about all the child labor used here on American farms to this day.
Needs 
> to
> be looked at on a case by case basis.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dudley
Rupert
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:39 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> Dean,
>
> Tell us what you pulled that plow with ... I am sure it was a Deere
but 
> what
> model/year?  The eBay plow appears to have a trip lever and I am just
> guessing that the one you pulled and are rebuilding probably did to.
>
> Dudley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Dean VP
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:26 PM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; AT JD
> Subject: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> There is a JD Model 4C plow for sale on eBay in Ohio that I would buy
if 
> it
> wasn't so stinking far away. I need some parts off of it to finish 
> restoring
> my Dad's JD 2 x 16" model 4C. The very plow I plowed with as a kid.
This
> particular plow on eBay might be a 2 x 12" which makes it a bit
different.
> However, all I need off of it are the two steel wheels and the two
levers.
>
> Is anyone in the Ohio area reasonably close by interested in sharing
some 
> of
> the parts off of this plow?  Or any creative ideas on how to capture
this
> thing until we can work something out? I would pay for services
rendered 
> as
> needed.
>
> See eBay auction # 7212190408
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
>
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