[AT] OT: used to be JD Model 4C plow but now ancestry

Sat Jan 21 06:39:23 PST 2006

My grandparents came over in the 1890's to escape conscription.  They had
originally lived in Posen, Germany (Northern Prussia, I believe).  Actually,
it was a couple of brothers and their families that came over.  One settled
in the Austin, TX area.  My branch of the family settled in Gibbon, MN.  The
original homestead is still in the family.  Vorwerk literally means the
outbuildings, or structures outside of the castle.  My family came from
woodsmen, and the original homestead is interesting to analyze, because all
of the trees around the house and grove were carefully selected as saplings
from different trees available from the Minnesota River valley.  The grove
and homesite form a large square, and provide very nice protection in the
Minnesota winters.

Phil Vorwerk, not far down the river from Gibbon,
In Courtland, MN

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Metz
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [AT] JD Model 4C plow

Another reason; my Dad told me several times that his Grandparents (and many

others) came over from Germany (1860's) to escape conscription (mandatory 
military service).   I did a brief check and Germany was at war much of the 
time that part of the century.  The same situation was probably true in much

of Europe.   During a two week tour of south central Germany (1997?) we 
again realized that most of the wars involved religion.
And one other reason; ancestors of good friends of ours came over from 
England to escape debtors prison.
Herb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mattias Kessen" <mattias at linderson-mark-bygg.se>
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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:49 PM
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> >From here it's was not caused by religion it was starvation that really 
> >drew
> people away.
>
> /Mattias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fran: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]For Dean VP
> Skickat: den 20 januari 2006 23:11
> Till: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
>
> Mattias:
>
> My understanding was that most people immigrated due to religious
> persecution. My ancestors immigrated in the early 1860's as a church group
> of around 50 people, mostly all farmers. First moved to the Pella, IA
> region, a largely Dutch community, but were run out by Locusts and drought
> and then moved to the Sioux County, IA area, a mostly Dutch community, in 
> NW
> Iowa about 5 years later. Traveled by train to Lemars, IA and then loaded
> their meager belongings back onto their wagons and traveled North about 12
> miles.
>
> However, the church (Reformed Church of America) was the main unifying
> organization along with nationality and language commonality. Church
> services were held in both Dutch and English into the 40's and maybe even
> into the early 50's. The other community in the Midwest that is largely
> Dutch is the Holland, Michigan area. Each area has their own Tulip 
> Festival
> each year.
>
> Out here on the West Coast we have Lynden, WA which is of largely Dutch
> ancestry. We can get our fix of Dutch oriented foods there if needed.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mattias Kessen
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:14 AM
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> Subject: SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> You should see the area around here it's more rocks than soil, wonder why
> that many people emigrated?
>
> /Mattias
>
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> Fran: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]For Dean VP
> Skickat: den 18 januari 2006 19:44
> Till: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
>
> Mattias:
>
> The rock story!
>
> We never saw any rocks on our place, not even pebbles or sand or clay for
> that matter. Except....  We had a railroad, The Chicago Northwestern RR 
> that
> ran through a corner of our land, about as far as one could get from the
> farm house, up on the highest elevation which might have been 30 feet 
> higher
> than the rest of the land. But there was a little rise there and the
> railroad had cut through that rise to keep the track level.
>
> I was plowing along side of the R/R ground one day and darned if I didn't
> turn over a rock. Never, never had seen that before.  Rocks meant that you
> had really poor soil and NW Iowa soil was known to be very rich with a 
> very
> deep level of top soil. So, since it was quite an event I mentioned it at
> lunch the same day and I distinctly remember my father's defensive 
> response.
> "The Rail Road must have brought that in!" End of discussion. :-) These
> farmers were proud of their land! And rightfully so.
>
> What I find interesting about the third world countries is they are 
> skipping
> some of the technology steps that we went through.  Instead of building
> miles and miles of telephone land lines they just skipped over all that 
> and
> went directly from no phone service at all to Cellular. Sometimes it's
> better to be late I guess. I just don't recall now if they had any three
> phase power in their plants or not. I would think so. Most everything was
> 220V like most of Europe.
>
> For those of us who had to travel all over, it sure would have been nice 
> if
> God could have just caused the world to use the same outlet design for 
> 220V.
> :-)  I always had to carry a full boatload of adapters with me.
> Discrimination, that is what it is!
>
> Must have been the French who caused this problem. For sale: "One used
> French rifle, never fired, dropped once!"  :-)
>
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mattias Kessen
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:33 AM
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> Subject: SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> where's the rock story?
>
> Child labour really needs to be seen case by case, it's not right but it
> might be much better than the alternatives for poor thirld world (the kind
> were they don't even have 1 phase) kids.
>
> /Mattias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fran: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]For Dean VP
> Skickat: den 16 januari 2006 11:12
> Till: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
>
> Dudley:
>
> I remember plowing with a styled JD B's and a 44 Hand start JD A and 47 JD
> A.  I have asked my much older brother what the years were of the B's. His
> recollection is different than mine. He says we had a 1936 B and later 
> 1941
> and 1948 B's. A 2 x 16" plow is a heavy load for a B, even in our good 
> rich
> NW Iowa sandy loam top soil. Primarily because we plowed quite deep. But I
> don't recall turning over anything but black topsoil. Except for one rock
> and that incident was a major trauma and a story of its own. In the spring
> we would plow in three 8 hour shifts. My Dad, my brother and I. The 
> tractors
> were only stopped to put gas in them.
>
> I distinctly remember being quite full of myself the first time Dad let me
> plow by myself. I could hardly get the clutch lever back and forth and the
> brake pedals seemed to be a long ways away. I remember Dad attaching an
> extra length to the hand clutch lever on one of the A's because I just
> couldn't handle that one. OSHA would have had cardiac arrest. Much less
> child labor law attorneys if they even existed at that time.
>
> I remember plowing with the B's and A's but I was so young, model year
> tractors weren't very important to me at the time I guess. When I was 14
> (1954) or so Dad got a JD 70 and a 4 bottom tag plow and I spent 100's of
> hours on that combination so I remember that much better. That 70 was an
> animal, especially after we hopped it up. The B's eventually got replaced 
> by
> a JD 50 but the A's and the 70 remained. A few years after I left the farm
> the 70 got replaced by a brand new JD Gas 3010 and 4 bottom three point
> plow.
>
> During my tenure all of our plows were tag along, trip lift except the 4
> bottom which was a hydraulic lift. I remember the hydraulic lift as being
> really modern stuff. We were in the big time now!  :-)
>
>
> PS: I get a kick out of those who complain about the countries we import
> stuff from today that use child labor. But I don't ever hear a complaint
> about all the child labor used here on American farms to this day. Needs 
> to
> be looked at on a case by case basis.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dudley Rupert
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:39 PM
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> Subject: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> Dean,
>
> Tell us what you pulled that plow with ... I am sure it was a Deere but 
> what
> model/year?  The eBay plow appears to have a trip lever and I am just
> guessing that the one you pulled and are rebuilding probably did to.
>
> Dudley
>
>
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Dean VP
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:26 PM
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> Subject: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> There is a JD Model 4C plow for sale on eBay in Ohio that I would buy if 
> it
> wasn't so stinking far away. I need some parts off of it to finish 
> restoring
> my Dad's JD 2 x 16" model 4C. The very plow I plowed with as a kid. This
> particular plow on eBay might be a 2 x 12" which makes it a bit different.
> However, all I need off of it are the two steel wheels and the two levers.
>
> Is anyone in the Ohio area reasonably close by interested in sharing some 
> of
> the parts off of this plow?  Or any creative ideas on how to capture this
> thing until we can work something out? I would pay for services rendered 
> as
> needed.
>
> See eBay auction # 7212190408
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
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>
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