[AT] JD Model 4C plow

Sat Jan 21 04:16:31 PST 2006

Another reason; my Dad told me several times that his Grandparents (and many 
others) came over from Germany (1860's) to escape conscription (mandatory 
military service).   I did a brief check and Germany was at war much of the 
time that part of the century.  The same situation was probably true in much 
of Europe.   During a two week tour of south central Germany (1997?) we 
again realized that most of the wars involved religion.
And one other reason; ancestors of good friends of ours came over from 
England to escape debtors prison.
Herb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mattias Kessen" <mattias at linderson-mark-bygg.se>
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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:49 PM
Subject: SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow

> >From here it's was not caused by religion it was starvation that really 
> >drew
> people away.
>
> /Mattias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fran: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]For Dean VP
> Skickat: den 20 januari 2006 23:11
> Till: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
>
> Mattias:
>
> My understanding was that most people immigrated due to religious
> persecution. My ancestors immigrated in the early 1860's as a church group
> of around 50 people, mostly all farmers. First moved to the Pella, IA
> region, a largely Dutch community, but were run out by Locusts and drought
> and then moved to the Sioux County, IA area, a mostly Dutch community, in 
> NW
> Iowa about 5 years later. Traveled by train to Lemars, IA and then loaded
> their meager belongings back onto their wagons and traveled North about 12
> miles.
>
> However, the church (Reformed Church of America) was the main unifying
> organization along with nationality and language commonality. Church
> services were held in both Dutch and English into the 40's and maybe even
> into the early 50's. The other community in the Midwest that is largely
> Dutch is the Holland, Michigan area. Each area has their own Tulip 
> Festival
> each year.
>
> Out here on the West Coast we have Lynden, WA which is of largely Dutch
> ancestry. We can get our fix of Dutch oriented foods there if needed.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mattias Kessen
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:14 AM
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> Subject: SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> You should see the area around here it's more rocks than soil, wonder why
> that many people emigrated?
>
> /Mattias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fran: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]For Dean VP
> Skickat: den 18 januari 2006 19:44
> Till: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
>
> Mattias:
>
> The rock story!
>
> We never saw any rocks on our place, not even pebbles or sand or clay for
> that matter. Except....  We had a railroad, The Chicago Northwestern RR 
> that
> ran through a corner of our land, about as far as one could get from the
> farm house, up on the highest elevation which might have been 30 feet 
> higher
> than the rest of the land. But there was a little rise there and the
> railroad had cut through that rise to keep the track level.
>
> I was plowing along side of the R/R ground one day and darned if I didn't
> turn over a rock. Never, never had seen that before.  Rocks meant that you
> had really poor soil and NW Iowa soil was known to be very rich with a 
> very
> deep level of top soil. So, since it was quite an event I mentioned it at
> lunch the same day and I distinctly remember my father's defensive 
> response.
> "The Rail Road must have brought that in!" End of discussion. :-) These
> farmers were proud of their land! And rightfully so.
>
> What I find interesting about the third world countries is they are 
> skipping
> some of the technology steps that we went through.  Instead of building
> miles and miles of telephone land lines they just skipped over all that 
> and
> went directly from no phone service at all to Cellular. Sometimes it's
> better to be late I guess. I just don't recall now if they had any three
> phase power in their plants or not. I would think so. Most everything was
> 220V like most of Europe.
>
> For those of us who had to travel all over, it sure would have been nice 
> if
> God could have just caused the world to use the same outlet design for 
> 220V.
> :-)  I always had to carry a full boatload of adapters with me.
> Discrimination, that is what it is!
>
> Must have been the French who caused this problem. For sale: "One used
> French rifle, never fired, dropped once!"  :-)
>
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mattias Kessen
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:33 AM
> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Subject: SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> where's the rock story?
>
> Child labour really needs to be seen case by case, it's not right but it
> might be much better than the alternatives for poor thirld world (the kind
> were they don't even have 1 phase) kids.
>
> /Mattias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fran: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]For Dean VP
> Skickat: den 16 januari 2006 11:12
> Till: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
>
> Dudley:
>
> I remember plowing with a styled JD B's and a 44 Hand start JD A and 47 JD
> A.  I have asked my much older brother what the years were of the B's. His
> recollection is different than mine. He says we had a 1936 B and later 
> 1941
> and 1948 B's. A 2 x 16" plow is a heavy load for a B, even in our good 
> rich
> NW Iowa sandy loam top soil. Primarily because we plowed quite deep. But I
> don't recall turning over anything but black topsoil. Except for one rock
> and that incident was a major trauma and a story of its own. In the spring
> we would plow in three 8 hour shifts. My Dad, my brother and I. The 
> tractors
> were only stopped to put gas in them.
>
> I distinctly remember being quite full of myself the first time Dad let me
> plow by myself. I could hardly get the clutch lever back and forth and the
> brake pedals seemed to be a long ways away. I remember Dad attaching an
> extra length to the hand clutch lever on one of the A's because I just
> couldn't handle that one. OSHA would have had cardiac arrest. Much less
> child labor law attorneys if they even existed at that time.
>
> I remember plowing with the B's and A's but I was so young, model year
> tractors weren't very important to me at the time I guess. When I was 14
> (1954) or so Dad got a JD 70 and a 4 bottom tag plow and I spent 100's of
> hours on that combination so I remember that much better. That 70 was an
> animal, especially after we hopped it up. The B's eventually got replaced 
> by
> a JD 50 but the A's and the 70 remained. A few years after I left the farm
> the 70 got replaced by a brand new JD Gas 3010 and 4 bottom three point
> plow.
>
> During my tenure all of our plows were tag along, trip lift except the 4
> bottom which was a hydraulic lift. I remember the hydraulic lift as being
> really modern stuff. We were in the big time now!  :-)
>
>
> PS: I get a kick out of those who complain about the countries we import
> stuff from today that use child labor. But I don't ever hear a complaint
> about all the child labor used here on American farms to this day. Needs 
> to
> be looked at on a case by case basis.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dudley Rupert
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:39 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> Dean,
>
> Tell us what you pulled that plow with ... I am sure it was a Deere but 
> what
> model/year?  The eBay plow appears to have a trip lever and I am just
> guessing that the one you pulled and are rebuilding probably did to.
>
> Dudley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Dean VP
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:26 PM
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> Subject: [AT] JD Model 4C plow
>
> There is a JD Model 4C plow for sale on eBay in Ohio that I would buy if 
> it
> wasn't so stinking far away. I need some parts off of it to finish 
> restoring
> my Dad's JD 2 x 16" model 4C. The very plow I plowed with as a kid. This
> particular plow on eBay might be a 2 x 12" which makes it a bit different.
> However, all I need off of it are the two steel wheels and the two levers.
>
> Is anyone in the Ohio area reasonably close by interested in sharing some 
> of
> the parts off of this plow?  Or any creative ideas on how to capture this
> thing until we can work something out? I would pay for services rendered 
> as
> needed.
>
> See eBay auction # 7212190408
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
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>
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