SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow

Mattias Kessen mattias at linderson-mark-bygg.se
Fri Jan 20 17:49:16 PST 2006


>From here it's was not caused by religion it was starvation that really drew
people away.

/Mattias

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Mattias:

My understanding was that most people immigrated due to religious
persecution. My ancestors immigrated in the early 1860's as a church group
of around 50 people, mostly all farmers. First moved to the Pella, IA
region, a largely Dutch community, but were run out by Locusts and drought
and then moved to the Sioux County, IA area, a mostly Dutch community, in NW
Iowa about 5 years later. Traveled by train to Lemars, IA and then loaded
their meager belongings back onto their wagons and traveled North about 12
miles.

However, the church (Reformed Church of America) was the main unifying
organization along with nationality and language commonality. Church
services were held in both Dutch and English into the 40's and maybe even
into the early 50's. The other community in the Midwest that is largely
Dutch is the Holland, Michigan area. Each area has their own Tulip Festival
each year.

Out here on the West Coast we have Lynden, WA which is of largely Dutch
ancestry. We can get our fix of Dutch oriented foods there if needed.

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mattias Kessen
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You should see the area around here it's more rocks than soil, wonder why
that many people emigrated?

/Mattias

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Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow


Mattias:

The rock story!

We never saw any rocks on our place, not even pebbles or sand or clay for
that matter. Except....  We had a railroad, The Chicago Northwestern RR that
ran through a corner of our land, about as far as one could get from the
farm house, up on the highest elevation which might have been 30 feet higher
than the rest of the land. But there was a little rise there and the
railroad had cut through that rise to keep the track level.

I was plowing along side of the R/R ground one day and darned if I didn't
turn over a rock. Never, never had seen that before.  Rocks meant that you
had really poor soil and NW Iowa soil was known to be very rich with a very
deep level of top soil. So, since it was quite an event I mentioned it at
lunch the same day and I distinctly remember my father's defensive response.
"The Rail Road must have brought that in!" End of discussion. :-) These
farmers were proud of their land! And rightfully so.

What I find interesting about the third world countries is they are skipping
some of the technology steps that we went through.  Instead of building
miles and miles of telephone land lines they just skipped over all that and
went directly from no phone service at all to Cellular. Sometimes it's
better to be late I guess. I just don't recall now if they had any three
phase power in their plants or not. I would think so. Most everything was
220V like most of Europe.

For those of us who had to travel all over, it sure would have been nice if
God could have just caused the world to use the same outlet design for 220V.
:-)  I always had to carry a full boatload of adapters with me.
Discrimination, that is what it is!

Must have been the French who caused this problem. For sale: "One used
French rifle, never fired, dropped once!"  :-)


Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

www.deerelegacy.com

http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm



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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mattias Kessen
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:33 AM
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Subject: SV: [AT] JD Model 4C plow

where's the rock story?

Child labour really needs to be seen case by case, it's not right but it
might be much better than the alternatives for poor thirld world (the kind
were they don't even have 1 phase) kids.

/Mattias

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Amne: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow


Dudley:

I remember plowing with a styled JD B's and a 44 Hand start JD A and 47 JD
A.  I have asked my much older brother what the years were of the B's. His
recollection is different than mine. He says we had a 1936 B and later 1941
and 1948 B's. A 2 x 16" plow is a heavy load for a B, even in our good rich
NW Iowa sandy loam top soil. Primarily because we plowed quite deep. But I
don't recall turning over anything but black topsoil. Except for one rock
and that incident was a major trauma and a story of its own. In the spring
we would plow in three 8 hour shifts. My Dad, my brother and I. The tractors
were only stopped to put gas in them.

I distinctly remember being quite full of myself the first time Dad let me
plow by myself. I could hardly get the clutch lever back and forth and the
brake pedals seemed to be a long ways away. I remember Dad attaching an
extra length to the hand clutch lever on one of the A's because I just
couldn't handle that one. OSHA would have had cardiac arrest. Much less
child labor law attorneys if they even existed at that time.

I remember plowing with the B's and A's but I was so young, model year
tractors weren't very important to me at the time I guess. When I was 14
(1954) or so Dad got a JD 70 and a 4 bottom tag plow and I spent 100's of
hours on that combination so I remember that much better. That 70 was an
animal, especially after we hopped it up. The B's eventually got replaced by
a JD 50 but the A's and the 70 remained. A few years after I left the farm
the 70 got replaced by a brand new JD Gas 3010 and 4 bottom three point
plow.

During my tenure all of our plows were tag along, trip lift except the 4
bottom which was a hydraulic lift. I remember the hydraulic lift as being
really modern stuff. We were in the big time now!  :-)


PS: I get a kick out of those who complain about the countries we import
stuff from today that use child labor. But I don't ever hear a complaint
about all the child labor used here on American farms to this day. Needs to
be looked at on a case by case basis.

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

www.deerelegacy.com

http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm



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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dudley Rupert
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:39 PM
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Subject: RE: [AT] JD Model 4C plow

Dean,

Tell us what you pulled that plow with ... I am sure it was a Deere but what
model/year?  The eBay plow appears to have a trip lever and I am just
guessing that the one you pulled and are rebuilding probably did to.

Dudley


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Subject: [AT] JD Model 4C plow

There is a JD Model 4C plow for sale on eBay in Ohio that I would buy if it
wasn't so stinking far away. I need some parts off of it to finish restoring
my Dad's JD 2 x 16" model 4C. The very plow I plowed with as a kid. This
particular plow on eBay might be a 2 x 12" which makes it a bit different.
However, all I need off of it are the two steel wheels and the two levers.

Is anyone in the Ohio area reasonably close by interested in sharing some of
the parts off of this plow?  Or any creative ideas on how to capture this
thing until we can work something out? I would pay for services rendered as
needed.

See eBay auction # 7212190408

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

www.deerelegacy.com

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