[AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????

Mon Jan 9 14:47:36 PST 2006

Paul:

Now that sounds really serious!  :-)  See you in Moline in early March!

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

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Paul O
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????

Duane

I hate chrome stacks worse than I hate red, blue, or yellow tractors!

Paul O

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Larson" <jdlarson at comcast.net>
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Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????

>
> Dean,
>
> Well, tain't gonna happen!  They sold so few it was pitiful.  I thought 
> they were great (except for the binding - pages fall out after some use). 
> I guess our Two-Cylinder Club was like the rest - a few were sold and the 
> rest of the folks just used 'em.  Shoot, it is hard enough to convince 
> people to buy owners manuals and parts books.  Look at the number of 
> requests on other JD sites which would not appear if the owners had 
> manuals.  But they'll lay out $$ for a chrome stack so they can go deaf.
>
> Of course, these comments come from a hard core literature collector.  I 
> think you understand.
>
> Regards,
> Duane Larson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
> To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'" 
> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>
>
>> Bruce:
>>
>> After now owning three different ones I think I would pay $25 each to get
>> ones for the styled A & B and the two cylinder numbered series. But... 
>> Gets
>> expensive if one wants each book. $12 to do a serial number look up, 
>> twice
>> that to have them all in a model series. Seems like a deal to me.
>>
>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>
>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>
>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Bruce Mahr
>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:54 AM
>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>>
>> Dean: You may have bought the Production Registers on sale for $9 to $10,
>> but If I remember right, I gave $25 to $30 each or more for mine when I
>> order them when they were published.
>>
>> Bruce Mahr
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
>> To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
>> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:34 PM
>> Subject: RE: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>>
>>
>>> Jim:
>>>
>>> Thanks.  I wasn't aware of any direct correlation (relationship) between
>>> serial numbers on Power Lifts vs Tractors other than I have made an
>>> assumption that the power lift serial numbers were issued sequentially 
>>> and
>>> that they were installed on tractors as they came down the production
>>> line.
>>> So I also have made an assumption that there is a first and last serial
>>> number and that someplace there may have been recorded what the first 
>>> and
>>> last per model year were and maybe even by tractor model identification.
>>> Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
>>>
>>> In looking through the Unstyled G Production register it appears that 
>>> the
>>> last Power Lift serial number was recorded on a 1939 G shipped in March 
>>> of
>>> 1993 as serial # G 8385 as PL Ser # 2819. But there were much higher PL
>>> ser
>>> #'s shipped on earlier G tractors such as 4406 but in general the 
>>> highest
>>> PL
>>> ser number shipped with unstyled G's was in the low 3000's. Looks like
>>> there
>>> Power Lifts got pretty mixed up within about a range of 200 to 300 
>>> serial
>>> numbers.
>>>
>>> Now relative to the unstyled B production register:   It appears the
>>> highest
>>> serial # PL recorded was 40385 but it was shipped much earlier than the
>>> end
>>> of production of the unstyled B's. Lowest PL ser # I have found is B138.
>>> The
>>> B prefix appears to have been randomly dropped in early 1935.
>>>
>>> I'm not aware that an unstyled A production register has been published 
>>> by
>>> Two Cylinder Magazine. Although I assume, they do have the data to do 
>>> so.
>>>
>>> So what is the bottom line of all this? If for example you have a 
>>> missing
>>> serial # tag on an unstyled B or G but it has a Power Lift with readable
>>> serial number tag, there is a possibility you might be able to identify
>>> what
>>> the tractor serial number might have been. Assuming the PL hasn't been
>>> changed or added after factory shipping. Kind of shaky grounds but 
>>> better
>>> than nothing I guess.
>>>
>>> As far as PL ser # ranges to correlate with tractor serial number 
>>> ranges,
>>> it
>>> appears one may only be able to get within a couple 100 serial #'s or so
>>> at
>>> best. Not very helpful.
>>>
>>> Hopefully someone on the list can add more clarity to this than what I
>>> have
>>> been able to uncover. I would describe the above data as having ones 
>>> feet
>>> firmly planted in mid air.
>>>
>>> I am still very confused as to why the Production Registers published by
>>> Two
>>> Cylinder Magazine didn't sell well enough for them to publish more. As I
>>> recall, I paid something like $9.00 to $10.00 each for mine when they 
>>> had
>>> a
>>> sale on them a few years ago. I would buy any additional ones published 
>>> in
>>
>>> a
>>> heartbeat. There is a wealth of knowledge in them with value way past
>>> their
>>> purchase cost.  Some things don't compute in this area. Was it a 
>>> marketing
>>> issue? Or is the production cost so high that there is an unreasonable
>>> breakeven quantity? Got me!
>>>
>>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>>
>>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>>
>>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Jim Showers
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:56 PM
>>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>>>
>>> I believe the book on the unstyled A mentions them.  My 1936 A had one 
>>> and
>>> the serial # of the power lift in no way corresponded with the tractor
>>> number.  The earlier power lifts were numbered, but the later ones were
>>> not.
>>> I just thought to add to the confusion.
>>> Jim Showers
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
>>> To: "AT JD" <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:10 AM
>>> Subject: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is there some published reference anywhere that lists the power lift
>>>> serial
>>>> numbers vs what tractor model and serial number they were used on? Or
>>>> some
>>>> range or some reference of any kind to get a general correlation.  Now 
>>>> I
>>>> know these could be added or removed at the dealer and changed by 
>>>> owners
>>>> so
>>>> the records probably can be used as ball park only but....
>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall that JD recorded the power lift serial numbers in some
>>>> of
>>>> the production records for the earlier unstyled tractors. I have the
>>>> unstyled B registry maybe something can be gleaned from that. But what
>>>> about
>>>> the A's and G's, etc?
>>>>
>>>> My guess is someone with hopefully an ANAL personality has done some 
>>>> kind
>>>> of
>>>> research into this.
>>>>
>>>> Why am I asking?  I just ran into a reference where a "B" power (PTO)
>>>> shaft
>>>> part number "where/when used" information was not tied to the tractor
>>>> serial
>>>> number but to the Power Lift Serial number.  That is something I hadn't
>>>> run
>>>> into before on power shafts.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, I can get the serial number off of the Power Lifts I have on 
>>>> my
>>>> tractors but is there some general reference document that provides 
>>>> more
>>>> encompassing info in this area?
>>>>
>>>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>>>
>>>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>>>
>>>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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