[AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????

Sun Jan 8 21:01:52 PST 2006

Duane:

I do understand. To me any original JD reference material is like gold.  I
just wish I had realized this many years ago.  But I was in the city doing
other stuff. At least that is my current excuse. Now, some of the literature
is so expensive I have to look for bargains or be very selective and ask
myself several times... Do I really need this or is it just a want!  :-) 

The best reference material buy I have ever made in this hobby is buying the
DB1293 CDRom with all the two cylinder parts catalogs on it. I remember
squirming a bit about paying $75 for the darn thing too. With JD's current
prices for Parts Catalogs it was the bargain of the century. I am fortunate
that I purchased a few of the other Vintage Parts Catalog CD's too.
Invaluable. I have access to Parts Catalogs I would never have been able to
achieve or afford by having to buy the paper versions. 

The Two Cylinder Magazine could really wake up my interest if they were to
sell these Production Registers on CD. Think about it. One could enter a
serial number and WALA ... instant info.  I don't know what database they
used to enter the data but even if it is in Excel one could compile all
kinds of interesting facts. MS Access would be even better. I wouldn't care
if they put all kinds of anti-copying protection on the CD either. Just to
have instant access to all this data would make me wet my pants. Maybe ten
years from now that would be even easier!  :-) 

I doubt that Two Cylinder Magazine really makes all that much money selling
the serial number lookup at $12 a pop or whatever the charge is today. Think
of all the statistical information that could be mined and published. The
publishing costs per CD would be almost negligible. Talk about profit
margin. :-)  Even if they only sold 100 CD's the profit would be enormous.
If Deere can do it so can Two Cylinder magazine. Then one wouldn't have to
worry about the books falling apart. 

Duane, maybe we ought to do some midnight data base salvage while we are at
the GOG in March!  :-) Hmmm, don't think so. I think there are jails
designed for people who do that. :-) But if you want to, I'll take a copy!
:-) 

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

www.deerelegacy.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
Duane Larson
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:59 PM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????

Dean,

Well, tain't gonna happen!  They sold so few it was pitiful.  I thought they

were great (except for the binding - pages fall out after some use).  I 
guess our Two-Cylinder Club was like the rest - a few were sold and the rest

of the folks just used 'em.  Shoot, it is hard enough to convince people to 
buy owners manuals and parts books.  Look at the number of requests on other

JD sites which would not appear if the owners had manuals.  But they'll lay 
out $$ for a chrome stack so they can go deaf.

Of course, these comments come from a hard core literature collector.  I 
think you understand.

Regards,
Duane Larson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'" 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????

> Bruce:
>
> After now owning three different ones I think I would pay $25 each to get
> ones for the styled A & B and the two cylinder numbered series. But... 
> Gets
> expensive if one wants each book. $12 to do a serial number look up, twice
> that to have them all in a model series. Seems like a deal to me.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Mahr
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:54 AM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>
> Dean: You may have bought the Production Registers on sale for $9 to $10,
> but If I remember right, I gave $25 to $30 each or more for mine when I
> order them when they were published.
>
> Bruce Mahr
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
> To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>
>
>> Jim:
>>
>> Thanks.  I wasn't aware of any direct correlation (relationship) between
>> serial numbers on Power Lifts vs Tractors other than I have made an
>> assumption that the power lift serial numbers were issued sequentially 
>> and
>> that they were installed on tractors as they came down the production
>> line.
>> So I also have made an assumption that there is a first and last serial
>> number and that someplace there may have been recorded what the first and
>> last per model year were and maybe even by tractor model identification.
>> Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
>>
>> In looking through the Unstyled G Production register it appears that the
>> last Power Lift serial number was recorded on a 1939 G shipped in March 
>> of
>> 1993 as serial # G 8385 as PL Ser # 2819. But there were much higher PL
>> ser
>> #'s shipped on earlier G tractors such as 4406 but in general the highest
>> PL
>> ser number shipped with unstyled G's was in the low 3000's. Looks like
>> there
>> Power Lifts got pretty mixed up within about a range of 200 to 300 serial
>> numbers.
>>
>> Now relative to the unstyled B production register:   It appears the
>> highest
>> serial # PL recorded was 40385 but it was shipped much earlier than the
>> end
>> of production of the unstyled B's. Lowest PL ser # I have found is B138.
>> The
>> B prefix appears to have been randomly dropped in early 1935.
>>
>> I'm not aware that an unstyled A production register has been published 
>> by
>> Two Cylinder Magazine. Although I assume, they do have the data to do so.
>>
>> So what is the bottom line of all this? If for example you have a missing
>> serial # tag on an unstyled B or G but it has a Power Lift with readable
>> serial number tag, there is a possibility you might be able to identify
>> what
>> the tractor serial number might have been. Assuming the PL hasn't been
>> changed or added after factory shipping. Kind of shaky grounds but better
>> than nothing I guess.
>>
>> As far as PL ser # ranges to correlate with tractor serial number ranges,
>> it
>> appears one may only be able to get within a couple 100 serial #'s or so
>> at
>> best. Not very helpful.
>>
>> Hopefully someone on the list can add more clarity to this than what I
>> have
>> been able to uncover. I would describe the above data as having ones feet
>> firmly planted in mid air.
>>
>> I am still very confused as to why the Production Registers published by
>> Two
>> Cylinder Magazine didn't sell well enough for them to publish more. As I
>> recall, I paid something like $9.00 to $10.00 each for mine when they had
>> a
>> sale on them a few years ago. I would buy any additional ones published 
>> in
>
>> a
>> heartbeat. There is a wealth of knowledge in them with value way past
>> their
>> purchase cost.  Some things don't compute in this area. Was it a 
>> marketing
>> issue? Or is the production cost so high that there is an unreasonable
>> breakeven quantity? Got me!
>>
>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>
>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>
>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Jim Showers
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:56 PM
>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>>
>> I believe the book on the unstyled A mentions them.  My 1936 A had one 
>> and
>> the serial # of the power lift in no way corresponded with the tractor
>> number.  The earlier power lifts were numbered, but the later ones were
>> not.
>> I just thought to add to the confusion.
>> Jim Showers
>>
>> --- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
>> To: "AT JD" <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:10 AM
>> Subject: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>>
>>
>>> Is there some published reference anywhere that lists the power lift
>>> serial
>>> numbers vs what tractor model and serial number they were used on? Or
>>> some
>>> range or some reference of any kind to get a general correlation.  Now I
>>> know these could be added or removed at the dealer and changed by owners
>>> so
>>> the records probably can be used as ball park only but....
>>>
>>> I seem to recall that JD recorded the power lift serial numbers in some
>>> of
>>> the production records for the earlier unstyled tractors. I have the
>>> unstyled B registry maybe something can be gleaned from that. But what
>>> about
>>> the A's and G's, etc?
>>>
>>> My guess is someone with hopefully an ANAL personality has done some 
>>> kind
>>> of
>>> research into this.
>>>
>>> Why am I asking?  I just ran into a reference where a "B" power (PTO)
>>> shaft
>>> part number "where/when used" information was not tied to the tractor
>>> serial
>>> number but to the Power Lift Serial number.  That is something I hadn't
>>> run
>>> into before on power shafts.
>>>
>>> And yes, I can get the serial number off of the Power Lifts I have on my
>>> tractors but is there some general reference document that provides more
>>> encompassing info in this area?
>>>
>>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>>
>>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>>
>>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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