[AT] Re: Get it together Spencer/IM service

[CEE VILL]

I do not pretend to be particualary informed on these subjects, but my 
observation is that some of the good folks on these lists have them confused 
with instant message services.  The three best methods to carry on a running 
conversation are:
In person
Via telephone
With instant message

Post to lists have an entirely different purpose.

Thanks for the service, Spencer.




>From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
>Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group 
><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>CC: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com, 
>at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>Subject: [AT] Re: Get it together Spencer
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:49:08 -0500
>
>First, thanks for the overwhelming support.   As many of you have said on
>the AT list and on the SEL list, you don't ave trouble with delays (a few
>minutes to an hour or so is "normal").   Most of the ones that do keep it
>in perspective.   Many have been quick to point out that I worked closely
>with their ISP until I could get no further or could get an authoritative
>answer.   Many others went ahead and started using smaller, local, fee
>based but robust and reputable companies for their email so this doesn't
>happen.    In almost every circumstances, the ones that do have trouble are
>International users (for some reason international addresses are much more
>likely to show up on black lists), use large services or free-mail services
>that are constantly deferring mail or are sources of SPAM and virus storms
>and therefore are on the black lists until their email administrators
>straighten things out.   I get HUNDREDS of messages a day like the
>following:
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
><deanvp at att.net>... Deferred
>Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
>Will keep trying until message is 5 days old
>
>As you can see, att.net was too busy to deliver the messages.  This is ATT
>now - They are too busy to handle mail.   I get these from AOL, Earthlink,
>any of the big telecomm guys(Verizon, Sprint, alltel, etc), and from the
>companies you'd expect:  hotMail, yahooMail, netzero, etc.   This is
>PRIMARILY due to the fact the list mail gets sent out with a Precedence of
>"List".  I can't help this, can't change it, shouldn't change it and the
>system is running exactly as it should.
>
>To be empathetic for minute,. though they don't deserve it,  I do
>understand that the small handful that are acting truly immature are
>actually just frustrated they don't understand the technology and can't
>control it.  Technology is a migration of a mind set from tangible to
>intangible; an instinctual to cerebral migration that is difficult for some
>folks and it pushes them out of their comfort zone and exposes a set of
>weakness they can't stand seeing in themselves(which of us does though?).
>Lashing out and raging is a temporary salve for them.
>
>BTW - Jeff isn't gone, he is still subscribed - They all are.   The more
>they whine about stuff that has been reasonably explained to them, the less
>likely I am to be lucky enough to get rid of them.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
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>
>On 2/17/2006 at 6:18 PM peter ogborne wrote:
>
> >We can only hope that he does go THIS TIME!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:43 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer
> >
> >
> >>I think your leaving is a good idea.  How soon does it happen?
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> >> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> >> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>
>
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