[AT] Re: Get it together Spencer

[Mattias Kessén]

Well my ISP is national, relatively small because off that, feebased, reputable and that doesn't help. No need for flaming I'll rather sign off but I real couldn't shut up and swallow.

/Mattias
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Skickat: den 18 februari 2006 17:49
Ämne: [AT] Re: Get it together Spencer


> First, thanks for the overwhelming support.   As many of you have said on
> the AT list and on the SEL list, you don't ave trouble with delays (a few
> minutes to an hour or so is "normal").   Most of the ones that do keep it
> in perspective.   Many have been quick to point out that I worked closely
> with their ISP until I could get no further or could get an authoritative
> answer.   Many others went ahead and started using smaller, local, fee
> based but robust and reputable companies for their email so this doesn't
> happen.    In almost every circumstances, the ones that do have trouble are
> International users (for some reason international addresses are much more
> likely to show up on black lists), use large services or free-mail services
> that are constantly deferring mail or are sources of SPAM and virus storms
> and therefore are on the black lists until their email administrators
> straighten things out.   I get HUNDREDS of messages a day like the
> following:
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> <deanvp at att.net>... Deferred
> Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
> Will keep trying until message is 5 days old
> 
> As you can see, att.net was too busy to deliver the messages.  This is ATT
> now - They are too busy to handle mail.   I get these from AOL, Earthlink,
> any of the big telecomm guys(Verizon, Sprint, alltel, etc), and from the
> companies you'd expect:  hotMail, yahooMail, netzero, etc.   This is
> PRIMARILY due to the fact the list mail gets sent out with a Precedence of
> "List".  I can't help this, can't change it, shouldn't change it and the
> system is running exactly as it should.
> 
> To be empathetic for minute,. though they don't deserve it,  I do
> understand that the small handful that are acting truly immature are
> actually just frustrated they don't understand the technology and can't
> control it.  Technology is a migration of a mind set from tangible to
> intangible; an instinctual to cerebral migration that is difficult for some
> folks and it pushes them out of their comfort zone and exposes a set of
> weakness they can't stand seeing in themselves(which of us does though?).
> Lashing out and raging is a temporary salve for them.
> 
> BTW - Jeff isn't gone, he is still subscribed - They all are.   The more
> they whine about stuff that has been reasonably explained to them, the less
> likely I am to be lucky enough to get rid of them.
> 
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
> 
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> 
> On 2/17/2006 at 6:18 PM peter ogborne wrote:
> 
> >We can only hope that he does go THIS TIME!
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:43 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer
> >
> >
> >>I think your leaving is a good idea.  How soon does it happen?
> >> 
> >> Jim
> >> 
> >> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> >> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> >> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> 
> 
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