[AT] Rivet how-to USB

Mon Feb 6 09:34:47 PST 2006

I presume you're talking about a Dimension rather than an Inspiron,
Steve.  That box design is either old enough that they hadn't integrated
all the peripherals through a single USB controller or else they have a
USB 2.0 controller with an integral 1.0 hub below it for the sockets, OR
Dell didn't bother following the complete standard.  Any of those
options are possible.  It's a four-year old design.  And, not all OS
interfaces treat I/O changes the same.  I'm currently running three
different versions of Windows XP -- all loaded with the latest upgrades,
and I still see three different reactions on the system when I hot plug
items through the USB ports.

One of the things that is conspicuously absent in printed computer specs
is the mention of the USB standard that is being used.  You're lucky to
even have mention of the number of USB sockets that are available. 

Larry

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
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 My Dell 8200 has onboard USB 1.1 and I added a new card for USB 2.0
into it. I have the keyboard and mouse in the original USB ports, a hub
in there and a new scanner and printer in the new card along with two
external hard drives and a card readed. They are all happily running
along just fine. I think the BIG item is the chipset on the board. Also
have a parallel port printer on this machine.

Steve W.

> Most modern computers are not set up to allow for that.  There can
only
> be ONE Root USB controller in the system.  If you disable the one that
> is built in on the mother board, then you have to be able to pick up
all
> its current ports.  That could include all the drives (hard, floppy,
CD,
> DVD, etc), card slots, keyboard, mouse, WI-FI, normal serial ports,
game
> controller slots, Ethernet...
>
> There's a reason why late model computers do not have parallel
ports --
> all peripheral devices except the monitor are controlled through the
> root USB.  If your computer is of such a vintage that its USB
controller
> is not integral with the mother board but rather that it is a plug-in
> along with direct connections to other peripheral cards, then you
stand
> a chance of disabling it, but it isn't going to be a simple process.
> The days of separate driver cards for every peripheral are gone.
>
> Even on laptops which still have parallel ports on them, everything
else
> is running through the root USB controller.  You can disable some of
the
> existing ports, but disabling the whole controller is a different
level
> of manipulation.  You should be able to tell from the Device Manager
> program whether the entire hierarchy of your computer runs through the
> Root USB controller or not.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Thomas O.
> Mehrkam
> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 9:53 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Rivet how-to USB
>
> It is possible to get a add in card that has USB 2.0 on it and use
that
> instead of the one on the motherboard.
>
> You can probably disable the USB port in the BIOS and reclaim the
> resources it uses.
>
> Larry D. Goss wrote:
> > Well, the bottom line is that you probably can't upgrade the
machine.
> > If the Root of the USB is 1.0, it's probably built in on the
> motherboard
> > and you're stuck with it.  That's only a problem if you let it be.
> All
> > USB systems are pyramidal in structure.  The breadth and depth of
the
> > pyramid is basically unlimited, but there can only be one controller
> > operating on the system.  The standard says when a USB 2.0 device is
> > detected logically below a USB 1.0 device, a warning message has to
be
> > displayed on your monitor.  But the standard also says that if a
> > consumer can physically connect devices together as they are
> > manufactured (without cutting and splicing, etc) he or she has the
> > expectation that the system WILL WORK, and the manufacturers are
> > obligated to support that.  As a result, you can cancel out all the
> > warning messages that appear down by the icon tray and go merrily
> ahead
> > using the system.  The only degradation will be in communication
> speed.
> >
> > Not all USB devices are built to the latest standard, and they won't
> be.
> > There isn't any reason to construct many computer devices to 2.0
> because
> > it just makes them more expensive and doesn't effect their
operation.
> > Items such as keyboards, tablets, and mice fall into this category.
> > Almost all of them are USB 1.0.  That's one of the reasons why the
> > communication cables on those devices are permanently fastened to
the
> > end device -- that's part of the Standard.
> >
> > If your All-in-one has a detachable data cable, it has to be
operating
> > at the later standard.  If you hot plug your printer into your
> computer
> > while the computer is running and you get the warning message on
your
> > monitor, then you know that your root USB hub on the mother board is
> > going to be a bottle-neck and slow down communications of high
> > resolution images both going and coming from the printer.  You'll
> either
> > have to live with it or scrap your computer.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > DAVIESW739 at aol.com
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> > Subject: Re: [AT] Rivet how-to
> >
> > Larry the printer is setup for Blue tooth I may try to see if I can
go
> > to
> > that with my old Sony Vaio 1.7.  The cable and the book says 10.5
ft.
> > max so I
> > should be OK with 10 ft.  I do have the 1.0 USB though I  think I
may
> > have to
> > upgrade to 2.0  if possible on this machine. So far I  really like
> this
> > multifunction printer the pictures that it makes are just like  the
> real
> > thing you
> > would hard presses to tell the difference and with the new  inks
they
> > say 30
> > years in all weather and 100 years archived that's not bad.
> >
> > Sometimes I take my Generator and Compressor both to shows its nice
to
> > have
> > the power around when needed.
> >
> > Walt  Davies
> > Cooper Hollow Farm
> > Monmouth, OR 97361
> > 503 623-0460
> >
> >
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