[AT] ford 800 vs 600 steering arm / bellhousing clearance

Thu Dec 21 09:49:17 PST 2006

All right Farmer. Your not going to win this one.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Kennedy" <ihctractor at hotmail.com>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [AT] ford 800 vs 600 steering arm / bellhousing clearance

> WOW! I have only seen one from a distance but now I'm an expert on it. 
> Sounds like some Mechanics that I have worked with. (If you ever saw one 
> then you got to be and expert on fixing it.)
>
> Frances your old 40s Chevy had dip rods so it didn't need high oil 
> pressure to run.  But then you being the top Mechanic that you are you 
> should know that HUH!!
>
> John P. Kennedy (Keneedy)
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>
>>From: "Francis Robinson" <robinson at svs.net>
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>>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
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>>Subject: RE: [AT] ford 800 vs 600 steering arm / bellhousing clearance
>>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 03:35:43 -0500
>>
>> Hi Chris:
>>
>> I am only familiar with those one-arm loaders from a distance but I don't
>>think gaining a little clearance would be a problem. Our NAA was pretty 
>>much
>>all original but we had a "TO" Ferguson that had a Sherman 
>>"over/std/under"
>>gearbox installed in its tranny by the dealer. The dealer had bent the 
>>right
>>side steering box arm out and then back down to gain about an inch and a
>>half of clearance for the shift lever to swing out. The shift pattern was
>>like a small upside down "h" and under-drive was out and up. I don't know 
>>if
>>they bent it hot or cold but when we restored that tractor maybe around 
>>1970
>>the unit had been taken out for some years and we bent the arm back into
>>shape cold using a ridged conduit bender (heavy wall not thin wall) and it
>>took the bending fine. We were surprised how soft it was.
>> I don't think I would worry much about a tractor of that vintage having
>>that level of oil pressure. As long as there IS always oil pressure that 
>>is
>>usually plenty. My old 40's Chevy truck IIRC had a factory spec of 15 psi.
>>Like you, I do like all the pressure I can get but that gauge could be off
>>or maybe the relief valve spring is tired. Of course I'm sure you have
>>already considered both of those possibilities. It would be interesting to
>>see it after an oil change with some premium oil. I guess you will have to
>>buy it to find out...   ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>"farmer"  -  ***** H A P P Y   H O L I D A Y S *****
>>
>>If you cut a tree plant at least two to replace it...
>>
>>Francis Robinson
>>Central Indiana, USA
>>robinson at svs.net
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>I've bene looking at an 850 down the road, and thinking about getting it 
>>to
>>hang a spare ford 711 1-arm loader on.
>>
>>At issue is the clearance between the steering draglink and the 
>>bellhousing
>>behind the starter, where a loader bracket will go.
>>
>>On my 660 there is about 1.5" of clearance between the arm and the
>>bellhousing... ont his 850.. there is about 1/2 " of clearance.. 
>>thusmaking
>>the arm rub the bracket.
>>
>>At first i thought the 850 had a narrowed axle.. but now that i drove over
>>to see it again.. it's fronts are almost inline with the rears.. just like
>>my 660.. except that draglink clearance issue... it's puzzling.... does 
>>the
>>8xx have a bigger bellhousing than the 6xx? ( both are a 5spd.. etc.. )
>>
>>I guess I can wident he axle onthe 850 for some clearance.. or cut and 
>>weld
>>a piece of bar stock into the draglink to make clearance for the bracket..
>>but.. I'm just puzzled at the clearance differences.
>>
>>Pitman arms and steering arm from the box look oem.. not bend or welded up
>>on either unit.
>>
>>On another note.. the 850 starts easilly.. idles ok, and has 30 psi op at
>>mid throttle.. about 20 at idle.
>>
>>I had hoped for higher oil pressure.. like my naa and 660 have ( 35-55 )..
>>but then.. This guy may have 10x30 oil in the sump too.. instead of the 
>>30w
>>I run.. etc.. may be old oil as well.
>>
>>Though I'm not familiar with the 172 engines.. I'd guess they have the 
>>same
>>lube internals as the 134's.. etc.
>>
>>Brakes good.. radiator has some old solder repairs.. but looks like it 
>>holds
>>water fine. No disturbing leaks.. and no water int he engine or hyd oil..
>>etc..
>>
>>steering is good.. no slack..
>>
>>comments welcome.
>>
>>If anyone has both an 800 and 600 they can go look at.. I'd greatly
>>appreciate you checking the clearance from the steering draglink rod to 
>>the
>>boss ont he bellhousing with the 2 threaded holes in it, just aft of the
>>starter, where a bracket could bolt to... and then compair to the other 
>>unit
>>/ post info.
>>
>>Anyone else got hundred series with oil pressure numbers in that range?
>>
>>Soundguy
>>
>>
>>
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