[AT] ford 800 vs 600 steering arm / bellhousing clearance

[John Kennedy]

WOW! I have only seen one from a distance but now I'm an expert on it. 
Sounds like some Mechanics that I have worked with. (If you ever saw one 
then you got to be and expert on fixing it.)

Frances your old 40s Chevy had dip rods so it didn't need high oil pressure 
to run.  But then you being the top Mechanic that you are you should know 
that HUH!!

John P. Kennedy (Keneedy)
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>From: "Francis Robinson" <robinson at svs.net>
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>Subject: RE: [AT] ford 800 vs 600 steering arm / bellhousing clearance
>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 03:35:43 -0500
>
>	Hi Chris:
>
>	I am only familiar with those one-arm loaders from a distance but I don't
>think gaining a little clearance would be a problem. Our NAA was pretty 
>much
>all original but we had a "TO" Ferguson that had a Sherman "over/std/under"
>gearbox installed in its tranny by the dealer. The dealer had bent the 
>right
>side steering box arm out and then back down to gain about an inch and a
>half of clearance for the shift lever to swing out. The shift pattern was
>like a small upside down "h" and under-drive was out and up. I don't know 
>if
>they bent it hot or cold but when we restored that tractor maybe around 
>1970
>the unit had been taken out for some years and we bent the arm back into
>shape cold using a ridged conduit bender (heavy wall not thin wall) and it
>took the bending fine. We were surprised how soft it was.
>	I don't think I would worry much about a tractor of that vintage having
>that level of oil pressure. As long as there IS always oil pressure that is
>usually plenty. My old 40's Chevy truck IIRC had a factory spec of 15 psi.
>Like you, I do like all the pressure I can get but that gauge could be off
>or maybe the relief valve spring is tired. Of course I'm sure you have
>already considered both of those possibilities. It would be interesting to
>see it after an oil change with some premium oil. I guess you will have to
>buy it to find out...   ;-)
>
>
>
>--
>"farmer"  -  ***** H A P P Y   H O L I D A Y S *****
>
>If you cut a tree plant at least two to replace it...
>
>Francis Robinson
>Central Indiana, USA
>robinson at svs.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>I've bene looking at an 850 down the road, and thinking about getting it to
>hang a spare ford 711 1-arm loader on.
>
>At issue is the clearance between the steering draglink and the bellhousing
>behind the starter, where a loader bracket will go.
>
>On my 660 there is about 1.5" of clearance between the arm and the
>bellhousing... ont his 850.. there is about 1/2 " of clearance.. thusmaking
>the arm rub the bracket.
>
>At first i thought the 850 had a narrowed axle.. but now that i drove over
>to see it again.. it's fronts are almost inline with the rears.. just like
>my 660.. except that draglink clearance issue... it's puzzling.... does the
>8xx have a bigger bellhousing than the 6xx? ( both are a 5spd.. etc.. )
>
>I guess I can wident he axle onthe 850 for some clearance.. or cut and weld
>a piece of bar stock into the draglink to make clearance for the bracket..
>but.. I'm just puzzled at the clearance differences.
>
>Pitman arms and steering arm from the box look oem.. not bend or welded up
>on either unit.
>
>On another note.. the 850 starts easilly.. idles ok, and has 30 psi op at
>mid throttle.. about 20 at idle.
>
>I had hoped for higher oil pressure.. like my naa and 660 have ( 35-55 )..
>but then.. This guy may have 10x30 oil in the sump too.. instead of the 30w
>I run.. etc.. may be old oil as well.
>
>Though I'm not familiar with the 172 engines.. I'd guess they have the same
>lube internals as the 134's.. etc.
>
>Brakes good.. radiator has some old solder repairs.. but looks like it 
>holds
>water fine. No disturbing leaks.. and no water int he engine or hyd oil..
>etc..
>
>steering is good.. no slack..
>
>comments welcome.
>
>If anyone has both an 800 and 600 they can go look at.. I'd greatly
>appreciate you checking the clearance from the steering draglink rod to the
>boss ont he bellhousing with the 2 threaded holes in it, just aft of the
>starter, where a bracket could bolt to... and then compair to the other 
>unit
>/ post info.
>
>Anyone else got hundred series with oil pressure numbers in that range?
>
>Soundguy
>
>
>
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