[AJD] Serial Number Plate

Duane Larson jdlarson at comcast.net
Sat Jan 22 21:53:41 PST 2005 

Dean,
In the Production Registers for the unstyled B and G, available from
2-Cylinder Magazine, there are columns for "PL", the Power Lift number.  So,
while that may have been exchanged or added later, I would think if a
tractor has a power lift number in the Register it would be reasonable to
assume it would have been the one that came on the tractor with that s/n.  I
guess a check could be made on the correlation between the power lift and
tractor s/n for existing unstyled G and B tractors - I can check my unstyled
G and B tomorrow.  But I sure agree with you on magneto s/n - I would be
really surprised if the original is on any tractor.  There is no column for
magneto serial number in the registers, either.
Regards,
Duane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:14 AM
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [AJD] Serial Number Plate


> Bill:
>
> I have recorded the two serial numbers and they are now in my billfold.
When
> attending shows this summer I'll keep an eye out for them. I doubt they
> would come this far West but who knows. But....stranger things have
> happened.
>
> Now regarding the serial number on the Power Lift or Power Troll. As far
as
> I know, JD did not record the serial number of the hydraulic unit in their
> tractor production register. There are those on the list who have done
> considerable JD Archive research and hopefully they will chime in here. I
> suspect the recording of the serial number of the ancillary items with
> serial numbers was primarily to aid in repair parts purchases at the
dealer.
>
>
> I do know that using the serial number of the magneto to try to identify
the
> serial number of the tractor would probably be an exercise in total
> frustration. I can't think of another serialized item on the tractor that
> was replaced or exchanged more often than the magneto's. In fact of the 14
> tractors I have here I sincerely doubt any of them have the Magneto's on
> them now that they had when they arrived. And that is just over a period
of
> 6 or so years. None of them have the original magneto on them that they
were
> shipped with from the factory. Imagine how many times a magneto was
replaced
> or exchanged over 50 or 60 years.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> storeroom door
>
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Brueck
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:19 PM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: Re: Re[4]: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
>
> Inside the front cover of my original operator manual for 1948 G sn 31379
is
>
> the place for the owner to record information about his tractor.  The book
> also references a little card that comes with the manual so you can record
> these things and have them with you when you go to the dealer to order
> parts:
>
> tractor
> magneto
> powr-trol or power-lift
>
> There's a little drawing so you can find each, it's a little hard to tell
> but I think the powr-trol pic is pointing to a vertical tag facing the
rear
> at the bottom right of the assembly.   Or maybe it's stamped right into
the
> casting.  I'll check one of these days; where the G is parked will take
this
>
> old guy a few minutes to get back to it!
>
> I have the same book for his 1948 M and it shows only the tractor serial
> number thusly.  The M book still has the billfold card in it.  The M was
> stolen a few years before he died, the G parts disappeared shortly after
he
> died in 1993.  If anybody runs across G # 31379 or M # 21968 let me know!
>
> B²
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
> To: <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re[4]: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
>
>
> > That definitely could be it, though the only thing I can conjure up is I
> > seem to remember the second item was also an engine item.  My memory is
> > real shaky about the second item.  I'd check my B to see what else might
> > have a number but it is in a shed that is a long way across my very icy
> > fields and I am not about to go look (-;
> >
> > Spencer Yost
> > Owner, ATIS
> > Plow the Net!
> > http://www.atis.net
> >
> > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> >
> > On 1/22/2005 at 7:53 PM Jim Showers wrote:
> >
> >>Spencer, it was possible he had an unstyled tractor with the power lift.
> >>The early ones had a serial number.  The 1936 A I recently sold had a
> >>power
> >>lift with the serial number tag.
> >>Jim Showers
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
> >>To: <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:16 PM
> >>Subject: Re[2]: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
> >>
> >>
> >>>I listened to a story from a fellow who first hand had a serial number
> >>> plate replaced.   He said that two items on the tractor had their own
> >>> number on them:   The magneto and something else(wish I could
remember).
> >>> He said as long as he could show them those two parts with those two
> >>> numbers and the build logs agreed, they were happy and the tag was
> >>> replaced.  I can't remember though if this was a Waterloo built or
> >>> Dubuque(I imagine Waterloo???).   I do remember for sure that the
effort
> >>> had to be done through the local dealer.   You could not contact John
> >>> Deere
> >>> directly and have them do it.
> >>>
> >>> Again, this is just what this one fellow at our local show, who claims
> > to
> >>> have gone through the process, said.   Take it with a grain of salt.
> >>>
> >>> Spencer Yost
> >>> Owner, ATIS
> >>> Plow the Net!
> >>> http://www.atis.net
> >>>
> >>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> >>>
> >>> On 1/21/2005 at 11:26 PM Louis wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Deere won't replace a serial number tag, unless you have the original
> >>>>tag.  Their replacement tag doesn't look like the original.  It has
> >>>>barcoding and a more modern look to it.  I saw one this past summer at
> >>>>our local show.
> >>>>
> >>>>D&D Graphics in Mason, IA is reproducing tags.  They look pretty good.
> >>>>They don't have the raised letters, like the original tag. But other
> >>>>than that they look really good.
> >>>>
> >>>>Lou
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >>>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
> >>>>Of Dean VP
> >>>>Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:22 PM
> >>>>To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
> >>>>Subject: RE: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>David:
> >>>>
> >>>>It is very difficult if you are going to try to get to specific serial
> >>>>number. Unless you are able to trace down the sales records of your
> >>>>tractor through previous owners it is next to impossible. You might be
> >>>>able to get down to a range of serial numbers by analyzing the
> >>>>configuration of parts on the tractor but that sometimes isn't
accurate
> >>>>either because PO's may have exchanged parts. And at best will get you
> >>>>only to a range of serial numbers it could be.
> >>>>
> >>>>I am not aware of how JD Corporate can be of help unless you can prove
> >>>>to them that you have supporting records to prove it is a specific
> >>>>serial number. Then a replacement serial number tag can be arranged.
> >>>>
> >>>>I have never done this but have heard of others who have done the best
> >>>>they could to identify the lineage of the tractor and then determine
> >>>>what serial numbers might be appropriate and then find another junk
> >>>>tractor in the same serial number range and take that serial number
tag
> >>>>off of it and put it on your tractor. However common acceptable ethics
> >>>>would be to tell any future owner what has been done. What isn't
> >>>>acceptable IMHO is to try to enhance the value of your tractor using
> >>>>another serial number tag which has JD records which would create
> >>>>something of more value.
> >>>>
> >>>>I believe there is a well known author in the antique tractor
collecting
> >>>>field who somewhat tongue in cheek states: "If you want a tractor with
a
> >>>>serial number tag, make sure you buy one that has one on it"
> >>>>
> >>>>As far as I know there is no easy solution to your problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>Dean A. Van Peursem
> >>>>Snohomish, WA 98290
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> >>>>storeroom door
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>www.deerelegacy.com
> >>>>
> >>>>http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >>>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
> >>>>Of David Smith
> >>>>Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:54 PM
> >>>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> >>>>Subject: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>How difficult is it to locate a serial number plate off of a junk
> >>>>tractor? I have a friend that has a 1938 unstyled A that is missing a
> >>>>serial plate. We have checked the parts books and everything traces
back
> >>>>to 1938.  Any help or even leads would be great.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks,
> >>>>David
> >>>>Oakboro, NC
> >>>>
> >>>>
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