[AJD] Serial Number Plate

Sat Jan 22 22:09:53 PST 2005

Yes, the original mag on a tractor would be a real rarity.  At least in this 
case I have the record so I'll know if I have one.  Curiously, of all the 
things stolen from this tractor (flywheel shroud, carb, upper water pipe, 
tool box, lights, tag, starter, seat... the mag was still there.  But the 
years I was home the mags were something that moved from tractor to tractor 
as needed, I've not referenced this one against Dad's records but I doubt 
it's original, although at least it is a Wico X.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'" 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [AJD] Serial Number Plate

> Bill:
>
> I have recorded the two serial numbers and they are now in my billfold. 
> When
> attending shows this summer I'll keep an eye out for them. I doubt they
> would come this far West but who knows. But....stranger things have
> happened.
>
> Now regarding the serial number on the Power Lift or Power Troll. As far 
> as
> I know, JD did not record the serial number of the hydraulic unit in their
> tractor production register. There are those on the list who have done
> considerable JD Archive research and hopefully they will chime in here. I
> suspect the recording of the serial number of the ancillary items with
> serial numbers was primarily to aid in repair parts purchases at the 
> dealer.
>
>
> I do know that using the serial number of the magneto to try to identify 
> the
> serial number of the tractor would probably be an exercise in total
> frustration. I can't think of another serialized item on the tractor that
> was replaced or exchanged more often than the magneto's. In fact of the 14
> tractors I have here I sincerely doubt any of them have the Magneto's on
> them now that they had when they arrived. And that is just over a period 
> of
> 6 or so years. None of them have the original magneto on them that they 
> were
> shipped with from the factory. Imagine how many times a magneto was 
> replaced
> or exchanged over 50 or 60 years.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> storeroom door
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Brueck
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:19 PM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: Re: Re[4]: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
>
> Inside the front cover of my original operator manual for 1948 G sn 31379 
> is
>
> the place for the owner to record information about his tractor.  The book
> also references a little card that comes with the manual so you can record
> these things and have them with you when you go to the dealer to order
> parts:
>
> tractor
> magneto
> powr-trol or power-lift
>
> There's a little drawing so you can find each, it's a little hard to tell
> but I think the powr-trol pic is pointing to a vertical tag facing the 
> rear
> at the bottom right of the assembly.   Or maybe it's stamped right into 
> the
> casting.  I'll check one of these days; where the G is parked will take 
> this
>
> old guy a few minutes to get back to it!
>
> I have the same book for his 1948 M and it shows only the tractor serial
> number thusly.  The M book still has the billfold card in it.  The M was
> stolen a few years before he died, the G parts disappeared shortly after 
> he
> died in 1993.  If anybody runs across G # 31379 or M # 21968 let me know!
>
> B²
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
> To: <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re[4]: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
>
>
>> That definitely could be it, though the only thing I can conjure up is I
>> seem to remember the second item was also an engine item.  My memory is
>> real shaky about the second item.  I'd check my B to see what else might
>> have a number but it is in a shed that is a long way across my very icy
>> fields and I am not about to go look (-;
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>> Owner, ATIS
>> Plow the Net!
>> http://www.atis.net
>>
>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>>
>> On 1/22/2005 at 7:53 PM Jim Showers wrote:
>>
>>>Spencer, it was possible he had an unstyled tractor with the power lift.
>>>The early ones had a serial number.  The 1936 A I recently sold had a
>>>power
>>>lift with the serial number tag.
>>>Jim Showers
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
>>>To: <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:16 PM
>>>Subject: Re[2]: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
>>>
>>>
>>>>I listened to a story from a fellow who first hand had a serial number
>>>> plate replaced.   He said that two items on the tractor had their own
>>>> number on them:   The magneto and something else(wish I could 
>>>> remember).
>>>> He said as long as he could show them those two parts with those two
>>>> numbers and the build logs agreed, they were happy and the tag was
>>>> replaced.  I can't remember though if this was a Waterloo built or
>>>> Dubuque(I imagine Waterloo???).   I do remember for sure that the 
>>>> effort
>>>> had to be done through the local dealer.   You could not contact John
>>>> Deere
>>>> directly and have them do it.
>>>>
>>>> Again, this is just what this one fellow at our local show, who claims
>> to
>>>> have gone through the process, said.   Take it with a grain of salt.
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>> Owner, ATIS
>>>> Plow the Net!
>>>> http://www.atis.net
>>>>
>>>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>>>>
>>>> On 1/21/2005 at 11:26 PM Louis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Deere won't replace a serial number tag, unless you have the original
>>>>>tag.  Their replacement tag doesn't look like the original.  It has
>>>>>barcoding and a more modern look to it.  I saw one this past summer at
>>>>>our local show.
>>>>>
>>>>>D&D Graphics in Mason, IA is reproducing tags.  They look pretty good.
>>>>>They don't have the raised letters, like the original tag. But other
>>>>>than that they look really good.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lou
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
>>>>>Of Dean VP
>>>>>Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:22 PM
>>>>>To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>>>>Subject: RE: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>David:
>>>>>
>>>>>It is very difficult if you are going to try to get to specific serial
>>>>>number. Unless you are able to trace down the sales records of your
>>>>>tractor through previous owners it is next to impossible. You might be
>>>>>able to get down to a range of serial numbers by analyzing the
>>>>>configuration of parts on the tractor but that sometimes isn't accurate
>>>>>either because PO's may have exchanged parts. And at best will get you
>>>>>only to a range of serial numbers it could be.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am not aware of how JD Corporate can be of help unless you can prove
>>>>>to them that you have supporting records to prove it is a specific
>>>>>serial number. Then a replacement serial number tag can be arranged.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have never done this but have heard of others who have done the best
>>>>>they could to identify the lineage of the tractor and then determine
>>>>>what serial numbers might be appropriate and then find another junk
>>>>>tractor in the same serial number range and take that serial number tag
>>>>>off of it and put it on your tractor. However common acceptable ethics
>>>>>would be to tell any future owner what has been done. What isn't
>>>>>acceptable IMHO is to try to enhance the value of your tractor using
>>>>>another serial number tag which has JD records which would create
>>>>>something of more value.
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe there is a well known author in the antique tractor 
>>>>>collecting
>>>>>field who somewhat tongue in cheek states: "If you want a tractor with 
>>>>>a
>>>>>serial number tag, make sure you buy one that has one on it"
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as I know there is no easy solution to your problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dean A. Van Peursem
>>>>>Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
>>>>>storeroom door
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>www.deerelegacy.com
>>>>>
>>>>>http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
>>>>>Of David Smith
>>>>>Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:54 PM
>>>>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>>>>Subject: [AJD] Serial Number Plate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How difficult is it to locate a serial number plate off of a junk
>>>>>tractor? I have a friend that has a 1938 unstyled A that is missing a
>>>>>serial plate. We have checked the parts books and everything traces 
>>>>>back
>>>>>to 1938.  Any help or even leads would be great.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>David
>>>>>Oakboro, NC
>>>>>
>>>>>
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