[AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold

Wed Dec 14 16:13:19 PST 2005

Jason I agree with you about the block seal.  However, I paraphrased what he 
said instead of restating the ACTUAL message because it appeared you didn't 
understand that the first time you read it.  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason DeJoode" <jldejoode at highstream.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold


> He actually said:>>>>> The crack in the block is between two frost plugs.
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> If the crack starts and ends at frost plugs, wouldn't bother with stiching 
> it. It's not going to grow any longer.  I'd just use a can of KW Permanent 
> Metallic Block Seal to seal the leak and call it good. This stuff works 
> great. We've used it for things like this before at work.  Follow the 
> directions and make sure all the antifreeze is out.
>
> Jason
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold
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>> Yes Jason,  It's a Perkins diesel and he said the crack went from freeze 
>> plug to freeze plug on the side of the block.
>>
>> Charlie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jason DeJoode" <jldejoode at highstream.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold
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>>> Do I understand you correctly that the crack goes from frost plug to 
>>> frost plug?
>>>
>>> Jason
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "David Bruce" <davidbruce at yadtel.net>
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold
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>>>> And, of course, all of us AC fans are orange with envy.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>> NW NC
>>>>
>>>> charlie hill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You did good Carl!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
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>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: [AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a note to everyone on the list that commented on this tractor 
>>>>>> not starting last week to let you know it has a new home.   :-)
>>>>>> The story of the Jr. salesman not having the fuel on was apparently 
>>>>>> true, it started without ether or being plugged-in weather that was 
>>>>>> either 21 or 25 F (dealers temperature vs. our car's gauge).  I can't 
>>>>>> say it started super easy, but I thought quite reasonable compared to 
>>>>>> some engines I have had the "pleasure" to be around.  It  fired in 
>>>>>> short order and then would quickly start to increase RPMs to the 
>>>>>> point where the mechanic would pull the throttle back to keep the 
>>>>>> speed down - it would then quit.  It did this about 5 times and I 
>>>>>> suggested that he slowly move the throttle back to a less vigorous 
>>>>>> idle and it then kept running.  The exhaust cleared in a short time, 
>>>>>> seemed under 5 minutes.and then ran very clean and clear until load 
>>>>>> or acceleration was applied.  No knocking, clanging or strange 
>>>>>> sounds.  Rode it around enough to check out the tranny and power 
>>>>>> director. Power director snaps into both ranges, but seems "soft" 
>>>>>> enough to require some adjusting next winter.  Clutch does not engage 
>>>>>> until almost all pedal is used, don't know if it will still adjust or 
>>>>>> needs to be replaced - seems good to go until next winter at least. 
>>>>>> Rubber is solid, at least 50% thread and no weather checks.  Its big 
>>>>>> too, 18.4-28 , Our D-17 had 16.9". Even has a set of wheel weights.
>>>>>> The crack in the block is between two frost plugs and actually quite 
>>>>>> easy to get to once the starter is removed.  Should be a straight 
>>>>>> forward job for the lock and stitch repair system.  I will have to 
>>>>>> move some stuff around in the barn this weekend to make room for 
>>>>>> t  - should be delivered next week.
>>>>>> I had been looking for a Series IV D-17, but this seemed so much like 
>>>>>> one I thought that it would do just fine.  I am surprised at how "$ 
>>>>>> reasonable" that engine kits and the like are for this Perkins 
>>>>>> engine. I think the parts for the D-14's engines are at least 50% 
>>>>>> higher, as are those for the similar sized Allis built gas and 
>>>>>> diesels.  Looks like it pays to use a high production volume engine.
>>>>>> This has a 3 point hitch, original top link and two remote valves.  I 
>>>>>> was at an auction last summer and picked up a loader for a 170 
>>>>>> because I thought that it would fit a D-14.  Talk about luck - no 
>>>>>> more luck for me for several years!  This will probably let me sell 
>>>>>> one of the D-14s (I'm not sure if I used that with the wife or not)!
>>>>>> Very much noticed one other thing, - there is a big difference 
>>>>>> between a 36 HP machine and a 56 HP machine!  I had forgotten the 
>>>>>> feel of that much power.  I negotiated a price that. while it 
>>>>>> included delivery, is "as is". The manager is not happy with the 
>>>>>> salesman for not spotting the crack and the salesman is not happy 
>>>>>> with the previous owner for not pointing it out. Manager wanted it 
>>>>>> out before the end of the year - that was clear and said this way he 
>>>>>> was wholesaling it.  I am very comfortable with it as it is the third 
>>>>>> tractor of that general design I have bought.  This hopefully gives 
>>>>>> me quite a bit of knowledge about them and what to look for.  Time 
>>>>>> will tell if I really know what I am doing.
>>>>>> Carl Gogol
>>>>>> Manlius, NY
>>>>>> AC 170 D
>>>>>> (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
>>>>>> Simplicity 3112 & 7116
>>>>>> Kubota F-2400
>>>>>>
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