[AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold

Wed Dec 14 13:39:52 PST 2005

He actually said:>>>>> The crack in the block is between two frost plugs.

If the crack starts and ends at frost plugs, wouldn't bother with stiching 
it. It's not going to grow any longer.  I'd just use a can of KW Permanent 
Metallic Block Seal to seal the leak and call it good. This stuff works 
great. We've used it for things like this before at work.  Follow the 
directions and make sure all the antifreeze is out.

Jason

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold

> Yes Jason,  It's a Perkins diesel and he said the crack went from freeze 
> plug to freeze plug on the side of the block.
>
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jason DeJoode" <jldejoode at highstream.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:52 AM
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>
>> Do I understand you correctly that the crack goes from frost plug to 
>> frost plug?
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Bruce" <davidbruce at yadtel.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
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>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold
>>
>>
>>> And, of course, all of us AC fans are orange with envy.
>>>
>>> David
>>> NW NC
>>>
>>> charlie hill wrote:
>>>
>>>> You did good Carl!!!
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
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>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:46 PM
>>>> Subject: [AT] AC-170 Diesel starts in the cold
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just a note to everyone on the list that commented on this tractor not 
>>>>> starting last week to let you know it has a new home.   :-)
>>>>> The story of the Jr. salesman not having the fuel on was apparently 
>>>>> true, it started without ether or being plugged-in weather that was 
>>>>> either 21 or 25 F (dealers temperature vs. our car's gauge).  I can't 
>>>>> say it started super easy, but I thought quite reasonable compared to 
>>>>> some engines I have had the "pleasure" to be around.  It  fired in 
>>>>> short order and then would quickly start to increase RPMs to the point 
>>>>> where the mechanic would pull the throttle back to keep the speed 
>>>>> down - it would then quit.  It did this about 5 times and I suggested 
>>>>> that he slowly move the throttle back to a less vigorous idle and it 
>>>>> then kept running.  The exhaust cleared in a short time, seemed under 
>>>>> 5 minutes.and then ran very clean and clear until load or acceleration 
>>>>> was applied.  No knocking, clanging or strange sounds.  Rode it around 
>>>>> enough to check out the tranny and power director. Power director 
>>>>> snaps into both ranges, but seems "soft" enough to require some 
>>>>> adjusting next winter.  Clutch does not engage until almost all pedal 
>>>>> is used, don't know if it will still adjust or needs to be replaced - 
>>>>> seems good to go until next winter at least.  Rubber is solid, at 
>>>>> least 50% thread and no weather checks.  Its big too, 18.4-28 , Our 
>>>>> D-17 had 16.9". Even has a set of wheel weights.
>>>>> The crack in the block is between two frost plugs and actually quite 
>>>>> easy to get to once the starter is removed.  Should be a straight 
>>>>> forward job for the lock and stitch repair system.  I will have to 
>>>>> move some stuff around in the barn this weekend to make room for it  - 
>>>>> should be delivered next week.
>>>>> I had been looking for a Series IV D-17, but this seemed so much like 
>>>>> one I thought that it would do just fine.  I am surprised at how "$ 
>>>>> reasonable" that engine kits and the like are for this Perkins engine. 
>>>>> I think the parts for the D-14's engines are at least 50% higher, as 
>>>>> are those for the similar sized Allis built gas and diesels.  Looks 
>>>>> like it pays to use a high production volume engine.
>>>>> This has a 3 point hitch, original top link and two remote valves.  I 
>>>>> was at an auction last summer and picked up a loader for a 170 because 
>>>>> I thought that it would fit a D-14.  Talk about luck - no more luck 
>>>>> for me for several years!  This will probably let me sell one of the 
>>>>> D-14s (I'm not sure if I used that with the wife or not)!
>>>>> Very much noticed one other thing, - there is a big difference between 
>>>>> a 36 HP machine and a 56 HP machine!  I had forgotten the feel of that 
>>>>> much power.  I negotiated a price that. while it included delivery, is 
>>>>> "as is". The manager is not happy with the salesman for not spotting 
>>>>> the crack and the salesman is not happy with the previous owner for 
>>>>> not pointing it out. Manager wanted it out before the end of the 
>>>>> year - that was clear and said this way he was wholesaling it.  I am 
>>>>> very comfortable with it as it is the third tractor of that general 
>>>>> design I have bought.  This hopefully gives me quite a bit of 
>>>>> knowledge about them and what to look for.  Time will tell if I really 
>>>>> know what I am doing.
>>>>> Carl Gogol
>>>>> Manlius, NY
>>>>> AC 170 D
>>>>> (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
>>>>> Simplicity 3112 & 7116
>>>>> Kubota F-2400
>>>>>
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